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    After SOPA here comes something that would ruin whatever internet we are getting to enjoy in Bangladesh:

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    How does it affect us in BD? This is an American problem.... technically we gave up net neutrality when BDIX was formed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mithun12ka4 View Post
    How does it affect us in BD? This is an American problem.... technically we gave up net neutrality when BDIX was formed.
    We did? Can you kindly explain how did we gave up net neutrality?
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    this is an issue with US mainly. Speeds in BD are already regulated.

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    +1 for linking TotalBiscuit's video. Man, that guy's voice is mesmerizing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mithun12ka4 View Post
    How does it affect us in BD? This is an American problem.... technically we gave up net neutrality when BDIX was formed.
    no its not.... united states is not an isolated country lol... if this ¤¤¤¤ continues in US soon european isps will also say we can do it too....
    ar BD er kotha na bolai bhalo


    and can you explain how bdix is hurting net neutrality/


    what destroys net neutrality is-

    if you as an isp tell netflix to pay you for getting in the fast lane that's against net neutrality because the customers already paid you enough money to get bandwidth... you cant charge netflix because your customers watch netflix... that bandwidth is already paid for.



    but the thin is- bdix is not an isp... its an organisation with all the major isps... it was created to save internet b/w

    secondly bdix is not actually demanding (at least i dont know) netflix/other sites to pay them to get in the fast lane otherwise they will be hampered.



    now you will argue that-


    hey bdix and comcast time warner net neutrality issue both have fast lane thing common... so they are both evil

    i will say-

    ya they both have fast lane issue but you have to realize that bdix, unlike comcast, wont hamper your website, if you want bd users to have high speed you can always host your server in BD server... just like torrentbd or crazyhd..

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    And also you guys are missing one big point. Thinking that this is an US issue is a bad idea.

    Anything like this will affect non US users too. They already control a huge part of the internet. Allowing control on the rest is no way a good idea.
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    agreed

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    What is Net Neutrality?
    Net neutrality (also network neutrality or Internet neutrality) is the principle that Internet service providers and governments should treat all data on the Internet equally, not discriminating or charging deferentially by user, content, site, platform, application, type of attached equipment, and modes of communication. Source wikipedia

    BDIX was formed to take the advantage of the existing optical fibre back bone which was capable of transferring data at much higher within its Intranet than the bandwidth which we were buying from foreign companies or BTCL to access the Internet. Members of BDIX do have to pay a membership fee every year to maintain such the network. As a result we get faster speed within BDIX than what we get at the main internet. This caused so many local torrents sites and streaming sites which would have never been existence if such net biased mindset didn't existed.

    Remember the old times which ISPs would block or excessively throttle down you net speed when u tried to use torrents? Some ISPs are still practicing this in the name of fair usage policy.

    Remember those days when the government would simply ban Youtube or Facebook whenever some bigot would dare to post anything anti Islamic?

    Now a days you pay money to you mobile phone carriers just to use one specific site only, such as facebook.

    Since the inception of the internet in Bangladesh we have never, ever cared or respected net neutrality. I am pretty sure net neutrality is not even one of our civic right in Bangladesh.

    The american people are screaming about it because they have a duopoly in there ISP industry (COMCAST and TIME WARNER) with a strong government lobby, who are trying to skim as much money as possible for the poor Americans. I highly doubt such the same thing will happen in Europe. USA is the only and only 1st world country to never, ever have the universal health care system. They have always opposed it and looked down up all of the other 1st world countries. But that didn't make Canada to give up their Universal health care system.

    So everyone just chill. This is not our battle.
    If you are really worried how about you bring net neutrality law within our country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avas911 View Post
    And also you guys are missing one big point. Thinking that this is an US issue is a bad idea.

    Anything like this will affect non US users too. They already control a huge part of the internet. Allowing control on the rest is no way a good idea.
    Trust me bro this one is exclusively USofA ¤¤¤¤. Their law doesnt apply to any other countries. Technically nobody controls the INTERNET..... America have jurisdiction to regulate internet within their land, so does china and bangladesh. Even if their congress passes the law of where ISPs won't be recognized as carriers, will not effect rest of the world. It will suck a bit more to live in USofA

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    Quote Originally Posted by mithun12ka4 View Post

    Trust me bro this one is exclusively USofA ¤¤¤¤. Their law doesnt apply to any other countries. Technically nobody controls the INTERNET..... America have jurisdiction to regulate internet within their land, so does china and bangladesh. Even if their congress passes the law of where ISPs won't be recognized as carriers, will not effect rest of the world. It will suck a bit more to live in USofA
    u missing the picture.... the united states is not an isolated country at all.... in fact its the most non-isolated country of the world. (i mean politically and economically, not geographically)

    if a court of one member country of EU says something all EU countries have to follow it (with condition). US is not a part of EU but european isps can make a lawsuit saying if comcast can do this in us we can do it too.... and then follows the rest of the world.

    tagging @aayman to support my a55

    and about spying- age je data gula us server e thakto shegula us govt/court nsa ke dite parto... ar ekhon us court said to the companies- if you want to operate in US you have to give every requested data to nsa... even if those servers are outside of us... like switzerland or japan

    and lastly... again.

    dont think the united states is an isolated country


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    but i agree with some part of your post... we did not actually had a net neutrality in first place.


    but i can not agree with your view on BDIX.... internet exchange shob deshei ase... eta thaka dorkar i think.. internet b/w bache..


    ar torrentBD der kintu bdix use korte hoy... but BDIX ke kono taka dite hoy na... link3/dot internet isp gula bdix ke taka dey.
    torrentbd link3/dot re taka dey naki jani na... but mone hoy na dite hoy
    (obosso ei post dekhe l3/dot giye torrentbd er admin theke taka chaile ami dayi na )


    ar wiki theke direct quote korle hobe na bhai... i admit thats the definition of NN but you have to know why that defn was made in the first place.


    a certain isp stablishes a video service... or streaming service... and customers can stream from that in high speed,
    and google youtube/ twitch can not be streamed in high speed... instead they are swtiched to slower lanes thats NN issue.

    now you will say- hey thats BDIX right?

    i will say- thats not BDIX, because i paid for 1 or 2mbps... i can still download from megaupload or stream twitch in that speed, but if i use torrentbd or bdix streaming server i can download in much high speed...
    but you have to notice our isps did not turned the speed of non bdix websites down in a much slower b/w,yet....
    we are still getting (if your isp is good) internet b/w as we paid for.

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    ^ I don't understand @Taher furious vai's point. You mean BD ISPs SHOULD give you 1-2 Mbps speed rather than 8-10 on TBD, CrazyHD etc. because that's what you paid for right? And I haven't seen any thread or post regarding BD ISPs slowing down on int. streaming and torrent sites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunia_r_JAURA View Post
    ^ I don't understand @Taher furious vai's point. You mean BD ISPs SHOULD give you 1-2 Mbps speed rather than 8-10 on TBD, CrazyHD etc. because that's what you paid for right? And I haven't seen any thread or post regarding BD ISPs slowing down on int. streaming and torrent sites.
    sorry my english is bad ... i think u misunderstood completely


    america te comcast isp er baccha ra netflix google ar onno website gula re bolse tader taka dite karon manush oi shob site beshi use kore... jodi taka na dey tahole tader very slow ekta lane e felabe... ar taka dile fast lane e felabe...


    ekhon keu keu bdix er shomalochona kortese je etao to slow lane ar fast lane er moto bepar... kintu bepar ta ek rokom na... bd te l3 re 1400 taka dile 1mbps internet dibe ar 3.5mbps bdix speed dibe... ekhane ami torrentbd er moto torrent site chalu korle amake kintu bdix ke taka dite hobe na... link3/dot/smile ei isp gula bdix ke bosor bosor taka dey bdix er infrastructure thik korar jonne.

    abar keu keu ekhon bolbe tahole to bdix jei charge ta kore sheta hiddenly add hoya jay.... ami bolbo kisu korar nai... ar emon to na je amar isp/bdix amar internet slow kore dibe jate amar website e polapan dhukte na pare... polapan je internet b/w er taka dey oi speed ei amar torrent site theke namate parbe... just bdix na thakle bdix speed ta pabe na ei r ki....

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    I dont mean to be to rude to anyone, but I guess some people really have a lot of time to worry about issues which are not out headache.

    @Taher furious I am not against BDIX, in fact its a good thing. All i said that I am not worried about NET NEUTRALITY issue at all because right now it is not hurting us (BANGLADESH). United States of America is a sovereign nation. So is Bangladesh and every member of EU. Rules of USA does not apply to any other country. Just because government of USA passes the rule to not recognize the ISPs as carriers, does not give any other ISP of any other nation the right to challenge their establishments to change the rules like USA did. There are hundreds of thousands of laws in USA which are completely antagonist to the laws of European countries or Canada. Us arguing about laws of USA will not do anything... we are not citizen of USA, their congress does not give a ¤¤¤¤ what we believe in.

    I am sure none of you guys even heard the term of net neutrality 6 months back. Since the citizens of USA are recently facing a problem because of a loop hole within their law which was recently exploited by the COMCAST.

    IN USA THERE IS A LAW WHICH OUTLAWS CARRIERS TO DISCRIMINATE AMONG DIFFERENT THE THINGS THEY ARE PAID TO CARRY. AIRLINES, BUS COACHES, POST OFFICE, CELLULAR NETWORKS all are recognized as CARRIERS. Therefore an airline is bound by law to carry any passenger (unless that person is in the no fly list) regardless of their gender, sexual orientation, height, weight, race etc etc. Post Office has to carry any letter and cannot give one letter more importance over another for the same service, regardless who writes it or who gets it or what every language is used. Cellular network in the same way cannot stop anyone from calling anyone else or object to your conversations on the phone.

    Unfortunately ISPs are not recognized as carriers in USA, so by law they can discriminate among data. American citizens now have realized to save their net neutrality ISPs must also be recognized as carriers. ISPs on the other hand is opposing it.

    Since USA have duopoly in ISP business (COMCAST and TIME WARNER), Americans just cannot switch to any other ISPs even if they want to. Which is why is it so much important to recognized ISPs as carriers.

    Situations in European and in BD are much different. This is not the ¤¤¤¤ we should be worried about.

    Sayeedi's death penalty has been reduced to life imprisonment. That's an issue we all should be talking about. Our government is lying and cheating with us, just to remain in power and steal as much money as they can. This is an real issue worry about this. I really dont care if USA have to pay more money to watch netflix. Neither should you.

    P.S. To government and fanboys of different political party...... PLEASE DON'T KILL ME.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mithun12ka4 View Post
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    I am sure none of you guys even heard the term of net neutrality 6 months back. Since the citizens of USA are recently facing a problem because of a loop hole within their law which was recently exploited by the COMCAST.
    roflmaooo

    i heard... and kind of studied about NN at least a year back...

    and i blv aayman/cvp/codex (who did not post in this thread) know about NN very well... they are techies (tech geeks)

    most probably avas bro heard about NN a long time ago too.

    and dont forget about romulus(fox mulder) bro

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    btw... dont forget what i said and dont misunderstand me...
    i said something about legal procedure.

    as far i know
    if some court (there is a certain level) of netherland or deutschland makes any decision all EU countries must follow it (they appeal it though). i didnt say US rules are directly applied in EU, but the isps in EU can always refer to US laws/court decisions if they file a lawsuit. its not like EU court or Japanese/Korean court will obey US, but they will consider it as an example, which is bad.
    and in case you dont know about this 'considering examples' (i dont remember the legal term) process... you probably dont know much informations about lawsuits, because in Bangladeshi lawsuit lawyers always try to give examples from British laws... american,indian, australian,malaysian.... laws/court decisions. and courts sometimes consider it as a good example.

    you were talking about sayeedi's life sentence... there is another section for that.
    and dont forget, that lawsuit was also a good example where prosecution and defendants used examples from different countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mithun12ka4 View Post
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    Unfortunately ISPs are not recognized as carriers in USA, so by law they can discriminate among data. American citizens now have realized to save their net neutrality ISPs must also be recognized as carriers. ISPs on the other hand is opposing it.
    actually there was a court ruling 'about that' comcast had a service(probably video), they said its free to use that service... but if you use other services you have to pay money. but court said data is data... so comcast can not let users use their services free but charge users for using competitors.

    but the problem is not comcast/ time warners.. the problem is mir jafars... and yes contrary to popular believe mir jafar were not from only this country, they are everywhere. and here the mir jafar is- FCC

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    Grameenphone free facebook is also against Net Neutrality. (google and youtube are hosted in local server) facebook is not hosted in a local server... so you can not charge people for the internet but not for using facebook, because data is data.. down to bytes 00101010101.

    but the thing is we dont have a law about it yet... this is BD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taher furious View Post

    as far i know
    if some court (there is a certain level) of netherland or deutschland makes any decision all EU countries must follow it (they appeal it though). i didnt say US rules are directly applied in EU, but the isps in EU can always refer to US laws/court decisions if they file a lawsuit. its not like EU court or Japanese/Korean court will obey US, but they will consider it as an example, which is bad.
    and in case you dont know about this 'considering examples' (i dont remember the legal term) process... you probably dont know much informations about lawsuits, because in Bangladeshi lawsuit lawyers always try to give examples from British laws... american,indian, australian,malaysian.... laws/court decisions. and courts sometimes consider it as a good example.
    If something within the Court of Justice of the European Union happens then yes it will affect all of the members, but you see its not that easy for a company to go to European Union court and have a ruling in their favour and to make the EU pass an unfair law. Since EU in a collection of sovereign countries all of its members must agree to a law before it can pass. Even if one member veto the law cannot pass. You do know that prostitution and drugs are completely legal in Netherlands, but that didn't make other EU members to legalize it within their land.

    USA doesnt have Universal Health care, members of EU does, why havent they follow the footsteps of USA and abolished universal health care specially that EU is still facing economical problems? Forget about EU why Canada still has Universal Health care? No body brought it up at their courts and served USA as an example? A lawyer can only try to give examples if no laws with clear indications exist or if they are trying to change the law itself. Just because USA does something doesnt mean that other countries will follow because the world doesnt revolves around them.

    Lets say even if EU gives up the NET NEUTRALITY, so what? None of our business. Because we do not follow EU or North America. Our cellular system doesnt follow their model, our cable companies doesnt follow their model, and even our ISPs doesnot follow their model. We are still getting SD cable TV and our internet speed sucks. How many corporate ISPs r there? Link3 and BDCOM? Furthermore we dont have duopoly/monopoly like the USA. We can always change our ISP if they start doing such shits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mithun12ka4 View Post
    How many corporate ISPs r there? Link3 and BDCOM? Furthermore we dont have duopoly/monopoly like the USA. We can always change our ISP if they start doing such shits.
    ha ha ha ha hahaha hah ha ha
    ever heard of syndicates... i guess no

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    @Taher furious vai, BDte erokom high-profile tech lawsuit dekhar ashonka chhere den. Even US jurisdiction isn't that much updated. Follow closely to the Apple vs. Samsung or Nvidia vs. Samsung lawsuit for that. How American companies try to rip off successful overseas companies. Sob sheshe chole ase ISPra jodi TW ar CC er example ney ar BDte kono watchdog er onuposthitite syndicative-vabe same exploit shuru kore. Kintu tahole sobay(except select few) BTCL use kora shuru korbe. Regardless high ping, poor service and what not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mithun12ka4 View Post

    Lets say even if EU gives up the NET NEUTRALITY, so what? None of our business. Because we do not follow EU or North America.
    we do. maybe not so directly, but indirectly we do. this aint 1500 the age of isolation lol, this is twenty first century where we are more connected than ever, and in the same time more detached than ever.

    NAZI AMERICA:


    Adolf Hitler said "if you want to take away people's freedom, take it one by one, and they will never notice."

    u heard of 1st they came for the communists then they came for the jews?

    well, first they came for the data in their servers, we said okay they might be potential terrorists let them take the data.
    then they came for net neutrality, we said okay nn can be compromised, let them take it away.
    then they came for the big data in outside of their reach, we said, okay those people can still 'attack' usa somehow... let them take those data.
    then they started to save every posts we made online, every transaction we made online and offline, we said okay those data is being saved in a machine, its not like a human is monitoring it, let them.
    then they came for me, but nobody spoke for me because there was nobody to speak out.

    warrantless arrests, evidenceless judgment, secret courts, storing every transactions, this was not good for nazi germany and this will not be good for america




    and yes we dont have a NN here, but we have to fight for it dont we? odhikar keu kauke diye dey na, odhikar aday kore nite hoy.

    and like u said- most of the people reading this thread didnt know about Net Neutrality before,
    so now they know about NN after reading this, agree? apnar kothai apnake firaye dilam



    and seriously, why are you telling people to not be concerned about NN? i know the answer,, you answered it couple of posts ago, but i think NN is just as important as that matter.

    now, before you get offended, let me explain,

    our freedom fighters fought for their lives, their mothers, their sisters, they fought for freedom of life, economical freedom, religious freedom, political freedom, military freedom,industrial freedom, but that was in 1971, if pakistan were occupying this country now, our freedom fighters would have fought for internet freedom too. because if pakistan were occupying this country now, they would have tracked down every single online presence of bengalies. they would not only tracked political facebook status blah blah, but they would also have tracked online transaction like paypal/mastercard of bengalies. they would have saved every bit of information about us. and also, they would have tried to deprive us from our internet, they would give west pakistan full internet, and us slow as ¤¤¤¤ internet


    that is why this is so important for me. and that is why this is so important for you too.
    (now dont tell me NN and the secret court orders are not related... they are all related, trust me)

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    @Taher furious

    Corruption, Plutonomy, Domestic Violence, Women's Right, Child Abuse and Child Labour, Drug Use, Monarch Politicians, Broken Government System, Corrupt Bureaucracy, Religious Radicalism, Political Extremism, Illiteracy, Flawed Education System, Bad health care system, Poverty, Slavery, Famine, Drought, Flood, and so many many issues which we (Bangladesh) need to deal with. And you find your patriotism for Net Neutrality, which is not even an active issue in this country.

    Taher bro if you really want to be pro-active about an issue for the betterment of this country pick something worthwhile. Even now if you think that net neutrality is an issue to fight for over everything else in this country, then Bangladesh will have another issue to solve. That issue won't be net neutrality, it will be IGNORANCE of the INTELLECTUAL YOUTHS of BANGLADESH.

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