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    Quote Originally Posted by aaz_swapnil View Post
    hrow it out
    This because after market sound cards are 100% waste of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CvP View Post
    This because after market sound cards are 100% waste of money.
    Damn! Why so? You too joined the "weed community" Or started following কেরুদা

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    Quote Originally Posted by CvP View Post
    This because after market sound cards are 100% waste of money.
    Really? My headphones seem to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakin7 View Post
    Really? My headphones seem to disagree.
    Mine too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakin7 View Post
    Really? My headphones seem to disagree.
    You either need to get your ears checked by doctors or stop imagining things.

    This has been a known fact for a long time. And it is simple logic really. A soundcard's job is to process digital data. As long as it can do that properly (which can be hardware/software based irrespective of quality), it is all the same.

    If you want to get a better sound system, spend on amplifier and speakers/headsets. Every $ spent on a DAC is a waste unless you need some exclusive professional features from those expensive DACs.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...udio,3733.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by CvP View Post
    You either need to get your ears checked by doctors or stop imagining things.

    This has been a known fact for a long time. And it is simple logic really. A soundcard's job is to process digital data. As long as it can do that properly (which can be hardware/software based irrespective of quality), it is all the same.

    If you want to get a better sound system, spend on amplifier and speakers/headsets. Every $ spent on a DAC is a waste unless you need some exclusive professional features from those expensive DACs.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...udio,3733.html
    I disagree with anything tomsharware posts lol. I don't even use a high end sound card but I have used enough built in chips to know that it works wonders.

    Anyway, OP, I have got a vanilla Titanium.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CvP View Post
    You either need to get your ears checked by doctors or stop imagining things.

    This has been a known fact for a long time. And it is simple logic really. A soundcard's job is to process digital data. As long as it can do that properly (which can be hardware/software based irrespective of quality), it is all the same.

    If you want to get a better sound system, spend on amplifier and speakers/headsets. Every $ spent on a DAC is a waste unless you need some exclusive professional features from those expensive DACs.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...udio,3733.html
    You can't argue about the need of a better DAC for better audio quality. But if you say that the audio processor, like the Titanium HD's EMU20k2, which is separate from the DACs, is unnecessary, I can somewhat agree on that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank3nst3in View Post
    I disagree with anything tomsharware posts lol. I don't even use a high end sound card but I have used enough built in chips to know that it works wonders.

    Anyway, OP, I have got a vanilla Titanium.
    Great, I'll PM you the necessary software and insurrections when I wake up. It's a very simple and short task.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaz_swapnil View Post
    You can't argue about the need of a better DAC for better audio quality. But if you say that the audio processor, like the Titanium HD's EMU20k2, which is separate from the DACs, is unnecessary, I can somewhat agree on that.
    The whole conclusion from that test is: Anything Above $2 Buys More Features, Not Better Quality.
    99% of the times, those features are only used by professionals (the ones who are in music industry/business) only.

    So what better DAC are you talking about? A $2 Realtek DAC produced same quality as $2000 DAC. Is the Titanium HD better than "Benchmark DAC2 HGC" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CvP View Post
    The whole conclusion from that test is: Anything Above $2 Buys More Features, Not Better Quality.
    99% of the times, those features are only used by professionals (the ones who are in music industry/business) only.

    So what better DAC are you talking about? A $2 Realtek DAC produced same quality as $2000 DAC. Is the Titanium HD better than "Benchmark DAC2 HGC" ?

    Anyways, I don't wanna derail this thread anymore.
    I'm not gonna argue about it any further. But I do have one suggestion for you bro, plug in a decent pair of headphones in a Realtek DAC and a Titanium HD/ Xonar STX and see the difference for yourself. $2 Realtek in the Z77 doesn't even come close to my STX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CvP View Post
    You either need to get your ears checked by doctors or stop imagining things.

    This has been a known fact for a long time. And it is simple logic really. A soundcard's job is to process digital data. As long as it can do that properly (which can be hardware/software based irrespective of quality), it is all the same.

    If you want to get a better sound system, spend on amplifier and speakers/headsets. Every $ spent on a DAC is a waste unless you need some exclusive professional features from those expensive DACs.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...udio,3733.html
    just a pack of earbud will do I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakin7 View Post
    I'm not gonna argue about it any further. But I do have one suggestion for you bro, plug in a decent pair of headphones in a Realtek DAC and a Titanium HD/ Xonar STX and see the difference for yourself. $2 Realtek in the Z77 doesn't even come close to my STX.
    So you are saying Sennheiser's HD 800 and AKG K 550 are not decent? I thought they are a bit above of decent.
    Also your STX is better than the STX (or DAC2 HGC) they tested?
    Or the audiophiles (the listeners) who use $3000 and $70000 audio gears have hearing problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CvP View Post
    So you are saying Sennheiser's HD 800 and AKG K 550 are not decent? I thought they are a bit above of decent.
    Also your STX is better than the STX (or DAC2 HGC) they tested?
    Or the audiophiles (the listeners) who use $3000 and $70000 audio gears have hearing problem?
    Going over tom's hardware's opinion? Why not head over to head-fi.org and check it out? DAC2 HGC is better than my STX I am well aware of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CvP View Post
    The whole conclusion from that test is: Anything Above $2 Buys More Features, Not Better Quality.
    99% of the times, those features are only used by professionals (the ones who are in music industry/business) only.

    So what better DAC are you talking about? A $2 Realtek DAC produced same quality as $2000 DAC. Is the Titanium HD better than "Benchmark DAC2 HGC" ?

    Anyways, I don't wanna derail this thread anymore.
    Well, it really matters what factors you include in the term Quality. If it is only listening experience, then that is totally subjective. I once met a person who couldn't find any difference in audio quality between a Cosonic headphone driven by my onboard ALC887 and a Shure headphone driven by the Titanium HD. But when you start considering things like linearity, Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR), Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) then the things change. It's like OCD, you know it may not matter, but you can't ignore it.

    But your discussion gave me a new idea. Now if the driver modification fails, I'm gonna throw the card out and give a try building this DAC: http://users.abo.fi/jskata/JEDAC/, and a matching DIY Headphone amp. Looks like most of the chips in audio are from Texas Instruments, which I can obtain for free.
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    Even though what CvP wrote is technically true, I do find a difference between onboard and aftermarket sound cards.

    Headphones I tested with are Sennheisser HD215, Shure SRH440, Panasonic HTF600, Beyer DT990, Creative Aurvana Live(CAL). Sound cards used were Xonar D1, Creative X-Fi Titanium, Xonar DGx, Creative X-Fi Titanium HD, Siberia USB. Onboards were mostly Realtec ALC888s, my MSI GD80 had a better version, though forgot the name.

    There is definitely a difference, and dare I say better quality but I can't really prove without lending you my ears which is impossible. I guess if someone lacks the sensitivity to these subtle changes, then they don't find it worth it to upgrade from onboards. I find onboards really rubbish after using aftermarket sound cards. Though I do agree that for normal/studio HP a Xonar DX/Titanium and or variants is more than enough. You don't need STX to find that difference but that card has some really nice components.

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    ^ placebo effect mostly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syeef View Post
    ^ placebo effect mostly.
    Me/my friends/my sister/the one who bought the headphones from me, all placebo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipanzan View Post
    Me/my friends/my sister/the one who bought the headphones from me, all placebo?
    Sure, why not? you all go in thinking this is a "Premium Sound Card" so it MUST BE producing better quality audio than onboard... that's how placebo works.

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    Hey.....I was using Titanium HD up until 3 days ago now I am using ALC887. I can not only feel the difference, the difference makes me want to sell the PC and the headphone and go become a farmer at my village home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CvP View Post
    This because after market sound cards are 100% waste of money.
    Few years ago, I used to believe so. But after doing A/B comparison with several speakers (Creative Inspire T6060, Microlab X10, B&W VM1 etc.) and sound cards (vanilla Titanium, Audigy 2 ZS, X-Fi Surround 5.1 Pro USB, Realtek 888s, Realtek 889), I realized that the thought that onboard audio is just as good as aftermarket dedicated sound hardware is completely untrue and a common myth. I still use Realtek 888s and 889 in my laptop and secondary PC. Though both of them have mouth watering Dolby Home Theater Certification, Optical Pass Thru, pretty high signal to noise ratio bla bla bla. But I would say, numbers written on paper are not everything. When it comes to clarity, punchy lows and fuller body mids, a low cost sound card like Xonar DG or even a second hand Audigy 2 ZS will make a considerable amount of difference when connected to even entry level speakers or HPs, let alone high end ones. Stereo up mixing and surround effects on dedicated sound cards are wayyyy better than Realtek's software based Dolby Prologic ll $hits.


    Quote Originally Posted by CvP View Post
    Every $ spent on a DAC is a waste unless you need some exclusive professional features from those expensive DACs.

    So what better DAC are you talking about? A $2 Realtek DAC produced same quality as $2000 DAC.
    Even my low cost Fiio E7 sounds much fuller and richer compared to X-Fi Titanium, not to mention Realtek's previous top of the line $2 889, when connected to cheap Gigaworks T20 and my entry level headphones.

    I would suggest you to get an affordable Xonar DGx and do justice to your Inspire 5.1. Your money will be well spent, mark my words.


    Quote Originally Posted by Syeef View Post
    ^ placebo effect mostly.
    I highly disagree.
    It is not only me who might be wrong but some of my friends whom I consider critical listeners, also agree on that dedicated sound cards do create wonders. Some of them are even involved in music.
    Last edited by RMS; April 16th, 2014 at 23:34. Reason: mistyped 889 with 892


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    Quote Originally Posted by RMS View Post
    I highly disagree.
    It is not only me who might be wrong but some of my friends whom I consider critical listeners, also agree that dedicated sound cards do create wonders. Some of them are even involved in music.
    that video i posted says it all... professional tech reviewer and music maker with 250k+ subs on YouTube.
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