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    Default X58 and SLi

    480... here I come. BTW will SLI work on x58 or i'll need a new mobo ??! :S
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    Default Re: Nvidia GTX 480 release date confirmed March 26.

    Quote Originally Posted by Streamyx View Post
    BTW will SLI work on x58 or i'll need a new mobo ??! :S
    yes bro it will work. actually this is one of the main features of X58 mobo.

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    Default Re: Nvidia GTX 480 release date confirmed March 26.

    Quote Originally Posted by kabir_sharif2000 View Post
    Lets just wait and see how it performs. This is what they call "Do or Die" for nVidia.
    It all depends on Intel now... if they are gonna support nVidia wih the chipset license or not. Presently there is not SLI support for Intel processors... so no SLI for 480 for now...!!!
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    Default Re: Nvidia GTX 480 release date confirmed March 26.

    N yes x58 e sli hobe.

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    Default Re: Nvidia GTX 480 release date confirmed March 26.

    Quote Originally Posted by Assassins Creed II View Post
    N yes x58 e sli hobe.
    No. X58 was never SLI ready neither was it SLI compatible ever.

    nVidia tried to make SLI work in x58 mobo's by installing an nForce 200 switch and Intel got pissed and sued nVidia's @$$... and intel won in that lawsuit. So no more porduction of X58 mobo with nForce 200 switch. Infact Intel got so pissed that it totally cancelled nVidia's license to produce nForce chipset for intel CPU's. So not only SLI has been blocked in X58, nVidia can't even make any chipset to make SLI work for any Intel CPU.

    But after the lawsuit nVidia is constantly trying to come up with some understanding with Intel to manage a license for a chipset for Intel CPU's.
    Anyway, Since they are launching GTX480 then they will obviously come up with some solution to keep SLI alive... cuz we all know without SLI its "game over" for nVidia, no matter how fast single GTX480s are.

    Here's an nForce 200 switch diagram. But don't be confused; it's been an abandoned ship for quite a while now.
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    Default Re: Nvidia GTX 480 release date confirmed March 26.

    Quote Originally Posted by Assassins Creed II View Post
    Hmm. They will obviously come up with it. N xfx er hd 5970 to least dekhlam $712. Anno model gula max jagay $680 er upore. So nvidia gtx 480 er price seems good to me. R gtx 470 jodi $300 hoy then fermi is gona rock.
    I was hoping nVidia could implement some tech built into the GTX480 itself so that it can do SLI in X58. But I am just daydreaming.
    The only other option left for nVidia is to make their own CPU and compete directly with Core and Phenom in CPU market . But I guess I am daydreaming again.
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    Default Re: Nvidia GTX 480 release date confirmed March 26.

    Quote Originally Posted by Streamyx View Post
    It all depends on Intel now... if they are gonna support nVidia wih the chipset license or not. Presently there is not SLI support for Intel processors... so no SLI for 480 for now...!!!
    why should Intel let nvidia license their chipset?
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    Default Re: Nvidia GTX 480 release date confirmed March 26.

    Quote Originally Posted by CvP View Post
    why should Intel let nvidia license their chipset?
    FYI you'll need a license from Intel to make chipset for Intel CPUs. nVidia had that license for their Motherboards based on nForce (3, 4, 6xx, 7xx etc) chipsets upto Core 2. Intel revoked that license and thats why nVidia can't make any chipset for Core i. So, basically Intel kicked nVidia out of Motherboard and chpiset market.
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    Default Re: Nvidia GTX 480 release date confirmed March 26.

    Quote Originally Posted by Streamyx View Post
    FYI you'll need a license from Intel to make chipset for Intel CPUs. nVidia had that license for their Motherboards based on nForce (3, 4, 6xx, 7xx etc) chipsets upto Core 2. Intel revoked that license and thats why nVidia can't make any chipset for Core i. So, basically Intel kicked nVidia out of Motherboard and chpiset market.
    Hi5 to Intel, nVidia only made some crappy mobo, playing games with built-in gfx doesnt work anymore!!
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    Default Re: Nvidia GTX 480 release date confirmed March 26.

    Quote Originally Posted by @mrX View Post
    Hi5 to Intel, nVidia only made some crappy mobo, playing games with built-in gfx doesnt work anymore!!
    nVidia Mobo's were crappy alright... but Intel o to built-in GFX mobo banae... jodio shegula nVidia'r cheye onek better but still gaming to posible na. Taile labh ta holo kothae?
    For us customers, market e joto beshi options and varity thakbe toto bhalo... kono competition nai dekhe X58 Mobo er daam eto beshi... ajke nForce thakle eta hoto na... Intel abused its licensing authority on nVidia to create a partial monopoly in the Chipset market. It was an unfair play by Intel
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    Default Re: Nvidia GTX 480 release date confirmed March 26.

    Quote Originally Posted by Streamyx View Post
    FYI you'll need a license from Intel to make chipset for Intel CPUs. nVidia had that license for their Motherboards based on nForce (3, 4, 6xx, 7xx etc) chipsets upto Core 2. Intel revoked that license and thats why nVidia can't make any chipset for Core i. So, basically Intel kicked nVidia out of Motherboard and chpiset market.
    I know why would you need a license. I was asking why should Intel give a license to nVidia?
    did nvidia gave their SLi chipset license to Intel back in the days? nVidia went for a, "if you want SLi, you have to buy nVidia mobo" policy.
    Intel is just getting their sweet revenge.

    Intel didn't revoke any license. New Intel chipsets (with memory controller built-in) require new license. Intel simply didn't give them any.

    finally, Intel did a good thing they kicked nvidia out of motherboard business. there is no need for a proprietary motherboard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Streamyx View Post
    nVidia Mobo's were crappy alright... but Intel o to built-in GFX mobo banae... jodio shegula nVidia'r cheye onek better but still gaming to posible na. Taile labh ta holo kothae?
    For us customers, market e joto beshi options and varity thakbe toto bhalo... kono competition nai dekhe X58 Mobo er daam eto beshi... ajke nForce thakle eta hoto na... Intel abused its licensing authority on nVidia to create a partial monopoly in the Chipset market. It was an unfair play by Intel
    and why should Intel make motherboards with built-in gfx that can play your latest games? built-in gfx card is there for a purpose and it serves that purpose perfectly. Recent built-in cards can DXVA also. that's more than enough.
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    Default Re: Nvidia GTX 480 release date confirmed March 26.

    Quote Originally Posted by CvP View Post
    I know why would you need a license. I was asking why should Intel give a license to nVidia?
    did nvidia gave their SLi chipset license to Intel back in the days? nVidia went for a, "if you want SLi, you have to buy nVidia mobo" policy.
    Intel is just getting their sweet revenge.

    Intel didn't revoke any license. New Intel chipsets (with memory controller built-in) require new license. Intel simply didn't give them any.

    finally, Intel did a good thing they kicked nvidia out of motherboard business. there is no need for a proprietary motherboard.



    and why should Intel make motherboards with built-in gfx that can play your latest games? built-in gfx card is there for a purpose and it serves that purpose perfectly. Recent built-in cards can DXVA also. that's more than enough.
    If over priced X58 serves you right then good for you.
    I would like to keep my options as wider as possible when I go shopping, cuz I spend a lot and I deserve best item. Tell me where is the scope for that in current product range? The choice is now all "take it or leave it". You think its fair? Lets not talk about fair... we sound like fools when we try to do that.

    Good stuff.

    Edit: It realy dun matter who kicks who outta where as long as the market is healty. It means business is balanced for all parties, producers and consumers alike. Thats what I was originally talking about... in case anyone missed. And I think my point is absolutely right on that.
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    Default Re: Nvidia GTX 480 release date confirmed March 26.

    Intel making good or bad decision i dnt know.bt they will lose some fans. Coz theres alot want to do sli like streamyx. He is an example. He certainly want something to happen so that he can do sli.

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    Default Re: Nvidia GTX 480 release date confirmed March 26.

    Some companies already have X58 MB which supports native Sli (with some restriction) along with usual crossfire. EVGA X58 SLI is one of them.
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    Default Re: Nvidia GTX 480 release date confirmed March 26.

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    Some companies already have X58 MB which supports native Sli (with some restriction) along with usual crossfire. EVGA X58 SLI is one of them.
    I guess you missed post #11. Those stopped being produced after the lawsuit and the remaining ones are hard to come by... asmof I was thinking getting my hands on it but trust me its not easy as you might guess... the best I can target it some used ones in Amazon.com. But, I'm hoping things won't come to that bad... nVidia will do something by then. *Toes Crossed*

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    Default Re: Nvidia GTX 480 release date confirmed March 26.

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    No. X58 was never SLI ready neither was it SLI compatible ever.

    nVidia tried to make SLI work in x58 mobo's by installing an nForce 200 switch and Intel got pissed and sued nVidia's @$$... and intel won in that lawsuit. So no more porduction of X58 mobo with nForce 200 switch. Infact Intel got so pissed that it totally cancelled nVidia's license to produce nForce chipset for intel CPU's. So not only SLI has been blocked in X58, nVidia can't even make any chipset to make SLI work for any Intel CPU.
    I dont understand. X58 motherboards natively support SLI in a x16, x8, x8 configuration. The nForce200 chip simply enables x16, x16 and x16, increasing bandwidth as well as a little latency...

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    Default Re: Nvidia GTX 480 release date confirmed March 26.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mazhar View Post
    I dont understand. X58 motherboards natively support SLI in a x16, x8, x8 configuration. The nForce200 chip simply enables x16, x16 and x16, increasing bandwidth as well as a little latency...

    :s
    SLI on x58 without nForce 200?!!! :S ... Tao abar natively ??? :S
    Kidding me? Someone played you I guess...
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    Default Re: Nvidia GTX 480 release date confirmed March 26.

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    SLI on x58 without nForce 200?!!! :S ... Tao abar natively ??? :S
    Kidding me? Someone played you I guess...
    Article

    nForce 200 (Along with the x58 of course, since nForce200 isnt exactly the chipset) allows hardware SLI x16, x16, x16, or else on the x58 alone for a small fee

    My Rampage X58 supports it (says on the spec sheet, plus SLI was fine with 2x 8800's), so does most other motherboards now...Check the list of X58 motherboards from ASUS, Gigabyte etc

    Just to point out two, X58, nForce200

    Check the features

    No i havent been played with (for some reason that just sounds...wrong )
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    Default Re: Nvidia GTX 480 release date confirmed March 26.

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    No i havent been played with (for some reason that just sounds...wrong )
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    Default Re: Nvidia GTX 480 release date confirmed March 26.

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    nForce 200 (Along with the x58 of course, since nForce200 isnt exactly the chipset) allows hardware SLI x16, x16, x16, or else on the x58 alone for a small fee

    My Rampage X58 supports it (says on the spec sheet, plus SLI was fine with 2x 8800's), so does most other motherboards now...Check the list of X58 motherboards from ASUS, Gigabyte etc

    Just to point out two, X58, nForce200

    Check the features

    No i havent been played with (for some reason that just sounds...wrong )
    LOL! I was hoping you would miss that somehow. Well, wouldn't be that bad to been played with once in a while.

    Anyways,
    About the article... I already mentioned it my earlier post (#11) that it was an attempt of nVidia which Intel killed with a lawsuit. nForce 200 been dead since December now and Mobo manufacturers can't use it.

    As for Asus and Gigabyte Mobos, I guess people are being confused and mixing up x58 with OEM components.

    Lets see if I can explain it:-

    Any of the X series Chipsets (all from 38 to 58) never ever either natively support or are compatible with SLI or whatsoever.

    X58 comes with its own RAID Controller called Intel Active Matrix, an audio codec called Intel HD Audio (based on former AC'97) and an ethernet hub all togather in its Southbridge package technically known as ICH10R/C/M.

    Now, Here is where everyone is being confused...

    OEMs (ASUS, Gigabyte, Alienware etc.) buy and install X58 into their Motherboard... But they have the freedom to also include extra components. For example ASUS adds its own SupremeFX or SoundBlaster (Creative's) audio chip in the MOBO instead of activating X58's bundled Intel HD Audio. Same goes for RAID chip too, Gigabyte adds an extra RAID chip from Marvel or JMicron in their MOBOs and give user the option to either use JMicron RAID or x58's default Intel ActiveMatrix RAID... or both.
    These are just some extra third party circuits that OEMs can simply add in their brand PC or Mobo's to add features... This is done under OEM license...
    Take note, Only OEMs can do this... BUT here is the important thing to remember, it is just an add on part that does not interfere or modify x58's design and any of its builtin components. Without doing that, OEMs have the freedom to add any circuits or peripherial into their MOBO...

    Now, Those MOBO from OEMs that says it can support SLI is a publicity trick... WATCH VERY CLOSELY, BESIDE THE LINE WHERE IT SAYS SLI SUPPORT, THERE IS A TINY "*" SIGN... and AT THE BOTTOM IT SAYS ITS CONDITIONAL FEATURE... Meaning? MEANING IT WILL NOT ALWAYS WORK AND ASUS DOESN'T PROVIDE GAURANTEE FOR IT. Wallah... here is where we are being missdirected and "the rabbit hiding under the hat".

    In very simple words... ASUS, Gigabyte has added some additional circuitries to attempt to make SLI work on an X58 design without modifying its architecture according to the limits of OEM license... THAT IS WHY THEY COULDN"T GAURANTEE THAT IT WILL WORK SINCE x58 DESIGN ISN"T EVEN COMPATIBLE WITH SLI IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    We are all being played with my friend and this is how they are doing it.

    As for, 8800 SLI in the ASUS Mobo... Like what I just showed, it might work in some case or might not... ASUS themself can't ensure it. I am using a P6T (the mobo you used as example) now after my first x58 (ECS x58B-A2) had incompatibility with my RAMs.

    I tried SLI in it with two GTX260 since I saw it says SLI compatible in the MOBO's Manual; Which totally came as a shock since I already knew x58 very well from my research before I baught Saddam Hussain. Thats why I got extra curious and tried its so called "SLI Support" and obviously it didn't work.
    Well, at first I wasn't surprised but it puzzled me quite a bit; after all why OEM like ASUS would claim such feature which doesn't work, which wasn't actually suppose to work in the first place? Well, then I noticed the whole gimmick.

    But looks like I wasn't the only one who was fooled! Its a good one, isn't it?... but its an absolute Gimmick, nontheless.

    Its a good thing to read between the lines... lot are hidden there.

    Good stuff.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mazhar View Post
    ...
    Just to point out two, X58,nForce200

    Check the features
    Further clearification from your own links:

    Both the mobo spec has a line that says"SLI Support". Now compare the lines carefully...

    ~In the first link (red font, X58 mobo WITHOUT nVidia SLI switch), there is a small "*" sign beside that line and it annotates a condition at the bottom of the spec list that basically means this feature is not gauranteed in fancy tricky words.

    ~In the second link (blue font, nForce 200 switch on X58) there is no condition annotated to that same line which means SLI actually works in this.


    With simple common sense, this is just an attempt of saying that X58 doesn't support SLI without nVidia switch.

    Too bad that switch itself has been switched off quite a while ago
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