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    Bangladesh was ranked 10th in a global slavery index released on Thursday with nearly 0.35 million people living in conditions of modern slavery.

    Australian-based rights organisation ‘Walk Free Foundation’ compiled the index defining modern slavery as debt bondage, forced marriage and victims of human trafficking.

    For Bangladesh, the report primarily attributed sexual exploitation, forced labour and bonded labour, both within its borders and overseas, to the high number of slaves.

    It said Bangladeshi people were enslaved overseas in the Middle East, in neighbouring Southeast Asian countries, and Europe, among others.
    It also reportedly found debt bondage in Bangladesh’s shrimp and tea industries, as well as in brick-making and forced begging.

    The report ranked 162 countries and said nearly 30 million people around the world are living as slaves.



    The number is higher than other attempts to quantify modern slavery. The International Labour Organisation estimates nearly 21 million people are victims of forced labour.

    India topped the list with nearly 14 million people living with such conditions, followed by China and Pakistan, which are home to nearly 3 million and 2.1 million slaves respectively.

    Nigeria, Ethiopia, Russia, Thailand, the Democratic Republic of Congo, and Myanmar are the other countries that complete the top 10 list that accounted for more than three-quarters of the total estimated slaves.

    The report has the backing of world figures including former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and ex-British Prime Minister Tony Blair called the findings “hidden crime”. The authors hoped that the report would help governments address the problem.

    The authors also claimed the report contained the most authoritative data on slavery conditions worldwide.

    “Today some people are still being born into hereditary slavery, a staggering but harsh reality, particularly in parts of West Africa and South Asia,” the report said.

    “Other victims are captured or kidnapped before being sold or kept for exploitation, whether through 'marriage', unpaid labour on fishing boats, or as domestic workers.

    Others are tricked and lured into situations they cannot escape with false promises of a good job or an education”.

    The report estimated that, in the past 30 years, more than one million Bangladeshis have been enslaved in the Middle East, in neighbouring Southeast Asian countries, and Europe.



    It said despite massive rural to urban migration in the last 25 years, more than 80 percent Bangladeshi population resides in rural areas where, it says, poverty prevails, just as unemployment does in urban areas.

    According to the report, “these push factors account for such a large migrant worker population”. Some of these migrant workers -- men, women and children -- are in bonded labour, debt bondage, and forced labour in a variety of industries throughout Bangladesh.

    Apart from reported debt bondage in shrimp and tea industries, the report also identified groups that are most vulnerable to enslavement.
    They include women, children, the poor, the illiterate, ethnic Rohingya refugees and internally displaced persons due to climate change or natural disasters.

    The report also noted Bangladesh government’s steps to address modern slavery and made some recommendations.

    Rest of the news: BDNEWS24.com

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    forced labor is also present in big companies. Banks, NBFI i wonder how com no1 notices them

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    Yeah, societies have progressed and reached new economic heights but culture has not kept up as we still are the same from those people in the past.
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    it is just not rightmm

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    #1 they are mostly confusing minimum wage workers with slaves

    #2 talk about hypocrisy -

    former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and ex-British Prime Minister Tony Blair called the findings “hidden crime”
    #3 freedom is an illusion, nobody is truly free... slavery comes in various forms, example:
    - gov't
    - laws and rules
    - income taxes
    - parents
    - schools and so-called "education", "private tutors" and "certificates", basically all scams
    - working for the rest of your life to pay off debts, including those created by the "education" scam.. even Obama had to pay $120,000 student loan debt. I even knew this one guy (American) who wanted to commit suicide because of his student loans and debts.

    Just because you earn minimum wage doesn't make you any more of a "slave" than those with higher wages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syeef View Post
    #1 they are mostly confusing minimum wage workers with slaves

    #2 talk about hypocrisy -



    #3 freedom is an illusion, nobody is truly free... slavery comes in various forms, example:
    - gov't
    - laws and rules
    - income taxes
    - parents
    - schools and so-called "education", "private tutors" and "certificates", basically all scams
    - working for the rest of your life to pay off debts, including those created by the "education" scam.. even Obama had to pay $120,000 student loan debt. I even knew this one guy (American) who wanted to commit suicide because of his student loans and debts.

    Just because you earn minimum wage doesn't make you any more of a "slave" than those with higher wages.
    thats quite an holistic view . Can't agree more.

    Student loan is perhaps one of the most shocking trap one can possibly put their foot in. If you get inside you can't get out. reminds me of "A secret place" by Megadeath.

    But I don't agree with your #1 point.
    Last edited by minitt; April 4th, 2014 at 13:52.

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    ^But they're not talking about low wages and shitty working conditions, it has more to do with sexual exploitation, human trafficking, child labor, forced labor etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyWaffle View Post
    it has more to do with sexual exploitation, human trafficking, child labor, forced labor etc.
    same story... example, remind me again which country is the porn capital of the world?
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    Are you trying to show Pro America bias in a Australian organization? Porn capital of the world does not mean children are sold as sex slaves till they pay of their debts. It's not "Global shitty lives index". The porn industry in America might have it's vices but that's not related to slavery. The other factors that were considered don't really occur in the US either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyWaffle View Post
    Are you trying to show Pro America bias in a Australian organization?
    read carefully, I gave an "example" nothing more, nothing less.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyWaffle View Post
    does not mean children are sold as sex slaves till they pay of their debts.
    how would you know? these so-called "organization(s)" also assume our children are being sold without any real proof.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyWaffle View Post
    The porn industry in America might have it's vices but that's not related to slavery.
    again, how would you know? how do you know they are not being forced into it for debt or something?

    I mainly wrote about "minimum wage workers" because that's what the foreigners mostly accuses us with, most of the time... I know coz my family has a buying house business (garments export) and we deal with those foreigners all the time. Ironically they are the ones who pays the workers minimum wage, not us.
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    What does that even mean? Are you telling me that inspite of their being no evidence to support slavery in the porn industry of America I'm suppose to believe it because there's a negligible probability it's some kind of well hidden conspiracy? Bangladesh is sort of a ¤¤¤¤ place, not every accusation made against us is "Evil American conspiracies" . This kind of mentality is incredibly annoying.

    Also, no need to project your hate for "foreigners" in here, it really isn't relevant to Hypocrisy in the Garments industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyWaffle View Post
    Bangladesh is sort of a ¤¤¤¤ place
    Ah... you should leave then.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyWaffle View Post
    Are you telling me that inspite of their being no evidence to support slavery in the porn industry of America I'm suppose to believe it because there's a negligible probability it's some kind of well hidden conspiracy? .. This kind of mentality is incredibly annoying.
    What conspiracy and mentality?

    evidence here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_t..._United_States

    According to the Department of State's statistics from 2000, there are approximately 244,000 American children and youth that are at risk for sex trafficking each year.
    also here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_880500.html

    - Former Hillary Clinton Aide Intern, "forced" into porn for debt. I can give you more example.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyWaffle View Post
    Also, no need to project your hate for "foreigners" in here
    who said anything about "hate"? I am stating my experience with them only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syeef View Post
    Ah... you should leave then.
    I'm simply acknowledging what's true. There's lots of things that I would consider wrong with Bangladesh. I'm not being unpatriotic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Syeef View Post
    What conspiracy and mentality? evidence here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_t..._United_States
    also here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_880500.html
    - Former Hillary Clinton Aide Intern, "forced" into porn for debt. I can give you more example.
    I apologize for steering the conversation in another direction. It was a poor choice of words on my part and I concede that slavery isn't non-existent in the States. But this isn't really relevant to Bangladesh being placed on the this list. You also misquoted me on the part about "mentality" .


    Quote Originally Posted by Syeef View Post
    who said anything about "hate"? I am stating my experience with them only.
    You said yourself that the claims you made about wages were because of said experiences in

    Quote Originally Posted by Syeef View Post
    I mainly wrote about "minimum wage workers" because that's what the foreigners mostly accuses us with, most of the time...
    Also, I apologize if I came off as rude and hostile. I didn't intend to do so.

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    Student loan is just like any other loan, people should be explained the mathematics before accepting loans. There's plenty of people who get out of the debt, the Obamas could've paid off their debt long before but they chose not to do so, and I'm sure they had their reasons.

    And I don't quite get why you are saying minimum wage workers are considered to be slaves, nothing in that article hints to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aayman View Post
    And I don't quite get why you are saying minimum wage workers are considered to be slaves, nothing in that article hints to that.
    You missed the pics ...all minimum wage workers:





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    Quote Originally Posted by Syeef View Post
    You missed the pics ...all minimum wage workers:
    That doesn't really prove a connection and those are probably added by bdnews24 staff anyway. But yea considering the some of the ¤¤¤¤ I've seen them post, I wouldn't be surprised if they think it's the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aayman View Post
    That doesn't really prove a connection and those are probably added by bdnews24 staff anyway. But yea considering the some of the ¤¤¤¤ I've seen them post, I wouldn't be surprised if they think it's the same.
    bdnews24 staff (or whomever) are right in this case... there is a connection. and i am speaking out of real experience. like i said, my family has garments export business... those foreigners and Gov't officials always compares our garments workers with slavery... they tell us, minimum wage and forced labors are the same thing.

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    examples:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-22370487

    http://www.care2.com/causes/do-your-...ave-labor.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syeef View Post
    same story... example, remind me again which country is the porn capital of the world?
    porn is something else and prostitution/selling of sex is something else. Not saying US is glorious country. They have their share of big problems. But why are you bashing US for a report released by Australian firm? You seem confused. Since your family has buying house, probably you should not criticize the very hand that feeds your family because you are part of the same capitalist system.

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    bdnews24 staff (or whomever) are right in this case... there is a connection. and i am speaking out of real experience. like i said, my family has garments export business... those foreigners and Gov't officials always compares our garments workers with slavery... they tell us, minimum wage and forced labors are the same thing.

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    examples:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-22370487

    http://www.care2.com/causes/do-your-...ave-labor.html
    You are generalizing stuffs I am sure. Just because some articles related RMG factories to slave labor doesnt mean whole industry thinks like that way. There are billions of garments buyers and clothes consumers who do not think that way.

    You know what I have a solution for you.

    You should ask those buyers to not buy your stuffs since they are essentially buying products from slave labor and that would make them hypocrite. That should solve their problem and hypocrisy. What do you say?

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    #1 they are mostly confusing minimum wage workers with slaves

    #2 talk about hypocrisy -



    #3 freedom is an illusion, nobody is truly free... slavery comes in various forms, example:
    - gov't
    - laws and rules
    - income taxes
    - parents
    - schools and so-called "education", "private tutors" and "certificates", basically all scams
    - working for the rest of your life to pay off debts, including those created by the "education" scam.. even Obama had to pay $120,000 student loan debt. I even knew this one guy (American) who wanted to commit suicide because of his student loans and debts.

    Just because you earn minimum wage doesn't make you any more of a "slave" than those with higher wages.
    I agree with the student loan issue. This is a credit trap that developed economies are facing with. (too much leverage) This is nothing new. Americans will rather live with credit rather than reduce their lifestyle. It is just their way of living style as per my observation.

    But thing is in developed nations, people manage their own finance and study from their bank account. Think about it many people in our country go till masters degree with financial support of family. If you include those expenses in your personal name in form of student debt, I am sure you will be horrified also. But we get a free ride for a long time by our parents and live in an illusion that we are debt free. But in reality, it is our parents who make a lot of sacrifice that first world parents will never do. You will feel when you become a parent in BD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    porn is something else and prostitution/selling of sex is something else.
    Those were not my main points, those were examples... nothing more. and fyi, i gave legit example for both.


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    But why are you bashing US for a report released by Australian firm? You seem confused. Since your family has buying house, probably you should not criticize the very hand that feeds your family because you are part of the same capitalist system.
    I am not bashing or criticizing the U.S or anyone else; the "foreigners and Gov't officials" I wrote about are not all Americans, they are from various countries including Australia, we have customers there as well. I am merely pointing out that they are confusing "minimum wage workers" with "forced labors".

    And nobody is feeding us for free... we do hard work for the money we earn.


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    You are generalizing stuffs I am sure. Just because some articles related RMG factories to slave labor doesn't mean whole industry thinks like that way.
    Again, those articles were just examples. I am talking out of personal experience. we have to constantly assure them that no child labors are involved and stuff like that... they always assume and accuses us without any real proof... my guess is, they do it to make us scared so that we give in to their demands and offer them even more cheaper price.


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    You should ask those buyers to not buy your stuffs since they are essentially buying products from slave labor and that would make them hypocrite. That should solve their problem and hypocrisy. What do you say?
    Good point, but if we say: "they are essentially buying products from slave labor", we would be admitting that they are infact "slave labors". So instead we say: "we don't have any association with 'slave labors' or 'child labors', you can inspect us, and if you don't agree, you are welcome to go elsewhere."


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    I agree with the student loan issue. This is a credit trap that developed economies are facing with. (too much leverage) This is nothing new. Americans will rather live with credit rather than reduce their lifestyle. It is just their way of living style as per my observation.
    I was mainly talking about how the educational system is a "scam".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syeef View Post
    Those were not my main points, those were examples... nothing more. and fyi, i gave legit example for both.




    I am not bashing or criticizing the U.S or anyone else; the "foreigners and Gov't officials" I wrote about are not all Americans, they are from various countries including Australia, we have customers there as well. I am merely pointing out that they are confusing "minimum wage workers" with "forced labors".

    And nobody is feeding us for free... we do hard work for the money we earn.




    Again, those articles were just examples. I am talking out of personal experience. we have to constantly assure them that no child labors are involved and stuff like that... they always assume and accuses us without any real proof... my guess is, they do it to make us scared so that we give in to their demands and offer them even more cheaper price.




    Good point, but if we say: "they are essentially buying products from slave labor", we would be admitting that they are infact "slave labors". So instead we say: "we don't have any association with 'slave labors' or 'child labors', you can inspect us, and if you don't agree, you are welcome to go elsewhere."




    I was mainly talking about how the educational system is a "scam".
    you mean the workers do the real hard work for the money because trust us, we are all living comfy near our table and personal computers and living the good life.

    Anyways point is if you feel so personal when the buyers accuse you, you should not be in business with them. In business, there is nothing personal. I am sure no matter what happens, you will keep on selling your products and the buyers will also buy them, so I dont see why you are taking personally of their accusations if the money keeps on changing hands. If you feel so insulted by doing business with them, I would rather not do business with them. Period. End of story. I think that would be more manlier response rather than just complain about them in BGGamer.

    When buyers come from far away lands, it is normal for them to ask what your factory conditions are. I dont see nothing personal to answer these questions since they want to protect their own business. Trust me they dont equate slaved labor and minimum wage. Minimum wage is sth much more strictly enforced in developed economies compared to BD and they are very familiar with it since most of the cloth retailers employ people with minimum wage in their stores.
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