Overclocking problem

[shahriar]

Guys currently my cpu is overclocked at 3.0.when i try to to overclock my cpu to 3.2(300X10) then it does boot up but fails to log in.error message says that 1of my file in c drive is corrupted & i need the windows disk or it says windows cant boot.but when ever i turn it to 3.0 it works perfectly. any suggestion...........

[AmareX]

May be you need better cooling solution. How is your temp?

[Muradd9]

Eita pci/pci-e clock releted problem. Cpu fsb increase korle northbridge er sathe southbridge er clock change hoi. Processor er fsb er sathe northbridge r southbridge er multiplier er reletion ase. Processor er fsb ekta level er beshi hole southbridge tokhon pci/pci-e clock stable rakhte pare na ba oi frequency te kono kono sata drive stable thake na. Tokhon problem kore. Kintu same processor er fsb mod/strap ( msi er highend motherboard e built-in thake ) kore fsb aro increase korleo kono problem hoina. Karon tokhon oi multiplier change hoye jai r aro beshi level porjonto fsb increase kora jai.
Solution:
1.southbridge voltage increase kora. Kaj na hole bujhte hobe drive oi pci/pci-e frequency nite parse na.
Solution:
2. Msi motherboard hole fsb strap jumper khuje fsb 200 theke 266 kora ba processor 266fsb hole 333 kora.¤Tar pore overclock kora.
Solution
3. 99% gigabyte,msi motherboard r kisu asus,asrock motherboard eita support kore. Processor er pin/pad mod ba short kore fsb strap kore notun stock fsb korte hobe. Tahole chipset processor take beshi fsb er processor mone korbe r multiplier change korbe. Tokhon aro overclock kora jabe without drive problem.Ram kom fsb er hole ei mod overclock korar somoy ram er fsb limitation o komiye dibe. Internet e search korle ei mod pawya jabe ba amake bolle pic upload korte parbo.

[Mazhar]

Guys currently my cpu is overclocked at 3.0.when i try to to overclock my cpu to 3.2(300X10) then it does boot up but fails to log in.error message says that 1of my file in c drive is corrupted & i need the windows disk or it says windows cant boot.but when ever i turn it to 3.0 it works perfectly. any suggestion...........

give all the details (ram speed, voltages, fsb strap / tRD latency and any additional info)

[shahriar]

May be you need better cooling solution. How is your temp?

36idle & [email protected] load

Eita pci/pci-e clock releted problem. Cpu fsb increase korle northbridge er sathe southbridge er clock change hoi. Processor er fsb er sathe northbridge r southbridge er multiplier er reletion ase. Processor er fsb ekta level er beshi hole southbridge tokhon pci/pci-e clock stable rakhte pare na ba oi frequency te kono kono sata drive stable thake na. Tokhon problem kore. Kintu same processor er fsb mod/strap ( msi er highend motherboard e built-in thake ) kore fsb aro increase korleo kono problem hoina. Karon tokhon oi multiplier change hoye jai r aro beshi level porjonto fsb increase kora jai.
Solution:
1.southbridge voltage increase kora. Kaj na hole bujhte hobe drive oi pci/pci-e frequency nite parse na.
Solution:
2. Msi motherboard hole fsb strap jumper khuje fsb 200 theke 266 kora ba processor 266fsb hole 333 kora.¤Tar pore overclock kora.
Solution
3. 99% gigabyte,msi motherboard r kisu asus,asrock motherboard eita support kore. Processor er pin/pad mod ba short kore fsb strap kore notun stock fsb korte hobe. Tahole chipset processor take beshi fsb er processor mone korbe r multiplier change korbe. Tokhon aro overclock kora jabe without drive problem.Ram kom fsb er hole ei mod overclock korar somoy ram er fsb limitation o komiye dibe. Internet e search korle ei mod pawya jabe ba amake bolle pic upload korte parbo.

I didnt see any option for increasing the southbridge voltage.i only have the option for cpu & ram.i dont think my mobo has fsb mod/strap option& i dont have any idea about this so kindly upload the pics plz.

give all the details (ram speed, voltages, fsb strap / tRD latency and any additional info)

cpu 300X10,Ram [email protected](5-5-5-9), cpu voltage 1.32....,ram voltage 1.8
It was stable for 3 hours in orthos & prime

[CHR.Assassin]

I dont know if it will work (forgive me if it doesn't ).....googled it and found the following solution:

steps to overclocking:

1. Turn off all the powersaving features off. (Check your board manuals for specific names, but they should be something like EIST..SPEEDSTEP..etc)
2. Make sure to run RAM at the right ratio and also the right voltage.
3. Have adequate cooling on CPU, and for high FSB, adequate cooling on Northbridge.
4. Start upping the FSB, check stability in windows with Prime95.
5. If unstable, up the Vcore, keep close eye on your temp with CoreTemp.
6. Around 400fsb..you need to start upping the NorthBridge voltage.
See how it goes..

[Mazhar]

What RAM divders do u have, to set RAM speeds?

[Muradd9]

Ami er age ei rokomer probleme poresilam koykta built-in graphics er motherboard e. Vcore ram valtage , higher frequency ram konotai kaj koreni. Shese fsb strap use kore sob problem thik koresilam. Strap korar jonno conductive ink lage kitu bd mone hoi pawa jai na.tai khub chikon r soto wire use korte hobe.Thikmoto processor er upor na bosate parle risk thake.
Ami dhakar baire asi tai ajke picture upload korte parsi na.
//Anik tumi ki picture ta post korte parba?//

[shahriar]

I dont know if it will work (forgive me if it doesn't ).....googled it and found the following solution:

steps to overclocking:

1. Turn off all the powersaving features off. (Check your board manuals for specific names, but they should be something like EIST..SPEEDSTEP..etc)
2. Make sure to run RAM at the right ratio and also the right voltage.
3. Have adequate cooling on CPU, and for high FSB, adequate cooling on Northbridge.
4. Start upping the FSB, check stability in windows with Prime95.
5. If unstable, up the Vcore, keep close eye on your temp with CoreTemp.
6. Around 400fsb..you need to start upping the NorthBridge voltage.
See how it goes..

all the power saving features r off.ratio is 3:4 ram is running at default 800bus.cooling is ok.stability is ok(i tried for 3 hours in prime.400fsb!!!i've tried maximum 333.however thanks

What RAM divders do u have, to set RAM speeds?

in bios there's no divider like 3:3,3:4 etc but gives me options like 734, 852 etc depending on my fsb

Ami er age ei rokomer probleme poresilam koykta built-in graphics er motherboard e. Vcore ram valtage , higher frequency ram konotai kaj koreni. Shese fsb strap use kore sob problem thik koresilam. Strap korar jonno conductive ink lage kitu bd mone hoi pawa jai na.tai khub chikon r soto wire use korte hobe.Thikmoto processor er upor na bosate parle risk thake.
Ami dhakar baire asi tai ajke picture upload korte parsi na.
//Anik tumi ki picture ta post korte parba?//

eto jhamelaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i dont think i can do it.i think i'll have to be happy with 3.00 untill i buy a new 1.

[Muradd9]

Jhamela ase kintu amar ekhon kote problem hoi na..Ekbar processor lagale na khola porjonto kono risk nai. Rekta kotha ei problem motherboard change korte parleo chole jabe r 3.0ghz kharap ki. 4670 carder jonno enough.

[Mazhar]

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Sam, i just realised you are running a E2180. 3Ghz is already pushing it at its limits. I really dont think another motherboard will help you get more core clockspeed in this case. About the strap, most motherboards nowadays allow changing of the strap (more appropriately tRD latency) anyway but ur one doesnt, I just checked

But dont bother changing your E2180's fsb strap to a native 1066fsb, its not worth it since you wont really gain much more core clockspeed, it will only let u reach a higher fsb at the same clockspeed(at a more relaxed tRD latency, so even the additional bandwidth u gain will be minimal)

Tweking the strap, or the tRD latency, is very interesting when it comes to performance tuning because it greatly affects performance. I mentioned tRD quite a few times remember? Its basically the same thing

Be happy with a E2180 at 3Ghz. Ive tested around 11 E2xxx series CPu's, and some locked up below 3, some 3.4, but the average was around 3 so ur ok here

[Muradd9]

Strap shouldnt be a problem with 300fsb (unless its the 200fsdb strap), and strap (also known as tRD latency) changes even without using conductive ink (BIOS flash, and most bioses have that option by varying tRD latency with different RAM dividers)

I think even this motherboard can vary its tRD latency with different dividers. Sam, what RAM speeds do u see when u set the fsb to 333? let me know

3:4 ratio hole jkhon 3.0ghz e oc kora hobe tokhon ram 800mhz show korbe. R 3.2ghz korle ram 426.6x2=853mhz show korbe. Transcend 800mhz ram stock @valtage n @stock cl e 860~880mhz sohojei oc kora jai @100% stable. Tai eikhane ram problem na mone hoi.
Fsb strap r tRD same jantam na.
Same motherboard same processor,same ram e sob divider thake na. Fsb strap use korle notun dividrer available hoi. For example, motherboard 667 r 800ram support kore. processor fsb200. Tahole available ratio 1:2 r 3:5. Maximum oc 240x10= 2400mhz jokhon ram @800mhz using 3.5 ratio. Ekhon jodi ami 266fsb mod/strap kori tahole ki hobe? New ratio hobe 1:1 r 2:3. Sobkisu same shudhu fsb mod er jonno ekhon notun maximum oc possible hobe 1.1 ratio use kore 400x10=4000mhz jokhon [email protected] Eita fsb mod er ekta dik. 800mhz ram use kore 2.4ghz theke 4.0ghz oc possible fsb mod kore.
Arekta dik holo pci-e frequency ratio control kora. Onek somoy dekha jai je oc korle built-in lan specially jegula pci-e lane use kore kaj kore na. Karon sob motherboard e pci-e lock thake na ba auto kora thake. Gigabyte, asrock er je sob 945gc motherboard e 1333mhz support kore oigular manual, online specification e bola thake jokhon 1333fsb use kora hobe tokhon pci-e 115mhz hobe. Pci lock na thakle oc korle pci frequency o increase hoi. Fsb er sathe northbridge,southbridge duitai releted. R lan je karone kaj kore na oi ekoi rokom karone ide/sata controller problem kore. Jokhon fsb mod kora hoi tokhon chipset notun fsb er processor mone kore r sei frequency er ratio moto sobkisu control kore. Tai tokhon oc korleo pci-e/pci lane e khub ekta change hoina. Tokhon lan sata controller thikmoto kaj kore.
Ami nije same problem face koresi r practically solve koresi. P35DS3L e bios e strap dekhesi kintu oita eivabe kaj koreni.

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3ghz valo oc. Eitai use kora valo hobe.
Jehetu hdd problem korse tai jodi aro oc korar dorkar hoi tahole fsb mod kora ba motherboard change kara sara upai nai.
@mazhar 11 e2xxx!! Jai kok ami only 3ta e2160 (l2 & m0 revision) 1ta e2180(m0) 1ta e4300(l2) sobgulai 3.2ghz up koresilam. e4300(l2) 3.4ghz + koresilam 945gc motherboard diye fsb mod kore.
@ shahriar tobe 3~3.1 er pore sogulatei onek valtage increase kirte hoi r temp onek bere jai. Tai 3.0ghz e valo hobe.

[Mazhar]

Murrad, I edited my post before u even posted

I agree about the PCI/PCI-E frequency linked with the fsb, but the G33 should have a PCI lock. It reminds me of the old days of overclocking, cutting wires and attaching them to processor pins to change multipliers because the fsb couldnt be overclocked since there was no PCI/AGP lock. Nowadays its all so easy

The other thing ur saying is, the mod to the cpu basically changes the native FSB of the processor from 200 to 266, and thats the strap the motherboard uses to overclock the cpu fsb. a relaxed strap means the latency between the northbridge, memory and CPU is higher, so bandwidth is lower but the FSB can be overclocked more

the dividers, as you mentioned, are changed as the strap changes. this is true, and without going into details usually the higher the strap the lower the RAM speed possible with a higher FSB, simply said. But in his case, as i said in my edited post, the CPU is already near its max so doing the mod wont do anything really

So we basically come to the same conclusion, and he is helpless!

[SinEater]

....But have a darn good over-clocker none the less..so be happy mate!!

[shahriar]

Jhamela ase kintu amar ekhon kote problem hoi na..Ekbar processor lagale na khola porjonto kono risk nai. Rekta kotha ei problem motherboard change korte parleo chole jabe r 3.0ghz kharap ki. 4670 carder jonno enough.

i know its enough i wanted to know whats the problem.i dont want to change my mobo i really lovveeee it.

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post edited..

Sam, i just realised you are running a E2180. 3Ghz is already pushing it at its limits. I really dont think another motherboard will help you get more core clockspeed in this case. About the strap, most motherboards nowadays allow changing of the strap (more appropriately tRD latency) anyway but ur one doesnt, I just checked

But dont bother changing your E2180's fsb strap to a native 1066fsb, its not worth it since you wont really gain much more core clockspeed, it will only let u reach a higher fsb at the same clockspeed(at a more relaxed tRD latency, so even the additional bandwidth u gain will be minimal)

Tweking the strap, or the tRD latency, is very interesting when it comes to performance tuning because it greatly affects performance. I mentioned tRD quite a few times remember? Its basically the same thing

Be happy with a E2180 at 3Ghz. Ive tested around 11 E2xxx series CPu's, and some locked up below 3, some 3.4, but the average was around 3 so ur ok here

i know i'm pushing to its limit.though i was failed to overclock at3.2 but i'm happy

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3ghz valo oc. Eitai use kora valo hobe.
Jehetu hdd problem korse tai jodi aro oc korar dorkar hoi tahole fsb mod kora ba motherboard change kara sara upai nai.
@mazhar 11 e2xxx!! Jai kok ami only 3ta e2160 (l2 & m0 revision) 1ta e2180(m0) 1ta e4300(l2) sobgulai 3.2ghz up koresilam. e4300(l2) 3.4ghz + koresilam 945gc motherboard diye fsb mod kore.
@ shahriar tobe 3~3.1 er pore sogulatei onek valtage increase kirte hoi r temp onek bere jai. Tai 3.0ghz e valo hobe.

murad vai my current temp at full load max is 62.i think its ok.shall i worry about it?

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So we basically come to the same conclusion, and he is helpless!

i'm helpless & u r laughing

However thanks a lot guys..................................

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i have another problem.whenever i turn my pc on it starts for 2seconds i mean chasis light flashes then it restarts itself but this time it successfully logs in.it happens everytime i turn my pc on.is it a problem?

[Muradd9]

Problem oi northbridg r southbridge er internal ratio. Pci-e/pci lock thakleo fsb increase korle ek somoy oi lock maintain korte pare na. Je motherboard e lock break kore na oigulaete clock multiplier komiye diye jotoi
vcore,ram voltage,northbridge voltage increase kora hok na keno ekta fsb upore r system r post kore na. Kintu oi system e jodi fsb mod kore strap kora hoi tahole aro beshi fsb te system post korte pare.
Gigabyte , Asrork 945gc te 1333fsb er processor use korle native clock r fsb e run korleo pci-e 115mhz hoye jai. Lock korlei lock hole to ora 1333fsb t:e pci-e 100mhz e lock kore dito.
Built-in graphics chipset e ei ratio kom thake.
Tai problem ta hoilo increase fsb-> result pci-e/pci clock increase-> result unstable controller or unable to operate drive at the increased pci-e/pci clock->result corrupted flie,no drive show,lan problem.
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Intel er notun processor gulate ekta theke r ekta model er clock difference 100mhz, 133mhz,166mhz. Tai 200mhz extra clock oc considerable. R 3.2ghz oc already hoyese ekhon hdd problem. Fsb mod kore eita easily solve kora jai. Mazhar vai bollo je ekhon bios tkekei tRD diye fsb strap kora jai. Bios theke kora gele fsb strap korlei to problem solve hoye jai.
@mazhar bro bios theke kivabe fsb strap kore amar kono idea nai. Tai ei motherboard r p35ds3l e kibhabe tRD setting diye fsb strap kora jai janale upkkrito hobe.(btw er ager post er jonno sorry. Ami mobile theke post kori. Tai type korte onek somoy lage. R mobile e ekbar quote korle r refresh kore orginal thread dekha jai na. R apni je post korar porei full post edit korben eita to ami chintao kori nai)
Thanks.

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Helpless hobe keno. Ami asi na. Ami help korte try korsi. R mazhar bro nijei help korse abar nijei tomake helpless bolse. Ha ha...lol.
Game e 62'c na processor stress korar somoy? Ekhon bd te je gorom tate 62'c thik ase.
Ei ta onek pc tei kore. Amar jana mote eita motherboard er ekta function.(dekha hole ki kaj kore detail e bolbo).

[Mazhar]

Tai problem ta hoilo increase fsb-> result pci-e/pci clock increase-> result unstable controller or unable to operate drive at the increased pci-e/pci clock->result corrupted flie,no drive show,lan problem.

@mazhar bro bios theke kivabe fsb strap kore amar kono idea nai. Tai ei motherboard r p35ds3l e kibhabe tRD setting diye fsb strap kora jai janale upkkrito hobe.(btw er ager post er jonno sorry. Ami mobile theke post kori. Tai type korte onek somoy lage. R mobile e ekbar quote korle r refresh kore orginal thread dekha jai na. R apni je post korar porei full post edit korben eita to ami chintao kori nai)
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Helpless hobe keno. Ami asi na. Ami help korte try korsi. R mazhar bro nijei help korse abar nijei tomake helpless bolse. Ha ha...lol
Game e 62'c na processor stress korar somoy? Ekhon bd te je gorom tate 62'c thik ase.
Ei ta onek pc tei kore. Amar jana mote eita motherboard er ekta function.(dekha hole ki kaj kore detail e bolbo).

But Murrad, the processor is already at its limits, so giving it a more relaxed strap, decreasing the multiplier and increasing the FSB will not result in much gain in bandwidth (since tRD is more relaxed) and not much increase in clockspeed (since the CPU is already at its limits)

And sam...i didnt really mean that helpless thing cuz i thought ur already happy with the OC. so big deal, no offense

About the strap in the DS3L, I am not sure if that mobo has the option of manually changing the strap, but is there anoption to change static read value? that should change the tRD latency i think. Check what changes in windows (download memset or any other program for detailed memory timings)...Also, push the FSB above a certain point, see if you notice a drop in memory bandwidth. that would mean its on a different FSB strap. Also, is there any option in the BIOS saying extreme, turbo and standard in terms of memory settings? that could determine tRD aswell

Also, strap changes automatically at times, if you push the motherboard above a certain point. Just keep in mind that for that, if you reduce the multiplier, the northbridge runs at (stock multiplier) / (multiplier you set) x FSB set

Hence if stock multiplier is 8, changing to 7 would mean at 333fsb the NB frequency is 380. At times in these situations, the motherboard changes the strap used automatically, and at times it doesnt (hence the FSB wall)...That also explains why when u do the mod to change the native FSB from 200 to 266, the FSB can be clocked higher because of 1) lower tRD and 2) higher multiplier compared to stock multiplier, hence lower NB frequency

Keep in mind that even at the same strap, ther are more than one tRD latencies available. so its not entirely same, but very closely correlated

My ASUS P5k-Pro P35 had the option to change the strap manually. Best of luck with the DS3L, and let me know

[shahriar]

Helpless hobe keno. Ami asi na. Ami help korte try korsi. R mazhar bro nijei help korse abar nijei tomake helpless bolse. Ha ha...lol.
Game e 62'c na processor stress korar somoy? Ekhon bd te je gorom tate 62'c thik ase.
Ei ta onek pc tei kore. Amar jana mote eita motherboard er ekta function.(dekha hole ki kaj kore detail e bolbo).

Thanks a lot murad vai.i get 62' in stress testing.

[Muradd9]

Processor¤multiplier komabo r fsb barobo keno? Multiplier komanor kotha bolinito ami. Fsb mod korar pore multiplier same thakbe shudhu fsb barabo. Extra 200mhz oc possible. Extra 200mhz oc considerable oc ki na? Ekhon 3.2ghz korle hdd problem korse fsb mod korle 3.2ghz e hdd problem korbe na. Tai eita ekta solution.R bios theke jodi fsb mod kora jai tahole korle problem kothai? Alternate solution ki ei hdd problem er? Overclock er sathe hdd problem er karon ki?
Amar 945gcmx-s2 te e2160 290x9 mhz oc hoi. 295fsb er upore boot kore na. Fsb mod kore 355x9 mhz stable oc kora jai. Eikhane actually ki hoi.
Asus p35e manually kivabe strap change kore. I meam bios er kon setting use kore.
P35ds3l e strap ase. Tourbo, extreme ,standard option ase.Memory bandwidth certain point e kome jai. Satic value 4. Changeable.
Jai hok amar point holo bios theke fsb strap korle shudhu ram properties control kore. R externally or jumper use kore fsb mod kore strap korle ram setting r pci-e/pci properties teo effect kore. Amar vul hote pare kintu ami jototuku jani tate eitai bujhesi.
@mazhar bro deshe asle mone hoi apnar ram duitar jonno dekha hote pare. Tokhon ram, cl r strap niye detail kotha hobe.
@shahriar tomar kase emnitei ekta dauwat pawna ase amar. Tokhon oikhane jeye problem dekboni.

[Mazhar]

Processor¤multiplier komabo r fsb barobo keno? Multiplier komanor kotha bolinito ami. Fsb mod korar pore multiplier same thakbe shudhu fsb barabo. Extra 200mhz oc possible. Extra 200mhz oc considerable oc ki na? Ekhon 3.2ghz korle hdd problem korse fsb mod korle 3.2ghz e hdd problem korbe na. Tai eita ekta solution.R bios theke jodi fsb mod kora jai tahole korle problem kothai? Alternate solution ki ei hdd problem er? Overclock er sathe hdd problem er karon ki?
Amar 945gcmx-s2 te e2160 290x9 mhz oc hoi. 295fsb er upore boot kore na. Fsb mod kore 355x9 mhz stable oc kora jai. Eikhane actually ki hoi.
Asus p35e manually kivabe strap change kore. I meam bios er kon setting use kore.
P35ds3l e strap ase. Tourbo, extreme ,standard option ase.Memory bandwidth certain point e kome jai. Satic value 4. Changeable.
Jai hok amar point holo bios theke fsb strap korle shudhu ram properties control kore. R externally or jumper use kore fsb mod kore strap korle ram setting r pci-e/pci properties teo effect kore. Amar vul hote pare kintu ami jototuku jani tate eitai bujhesi.
@mazhar bro deshe asle mone hoi apnar ram duitar jonno dekha hote pare. Tokhon ram, cl r strap niye detail kotha hobe.
@shahriar tomar kase emnitei ekta dauwat pawna ase amar. Tokhon oikhane jeye problem dekboni.

I understand what ur saying

One thing is, the strap changes the RAM dividers, always. The P5k-Pro had the option to change the strap from the BIOS, which changed the dividers too. So i know ur point, just that its not only externally, internally o kora jae.

However, there is a workaround to that too, like tightening the latency within a same strap, so it seems like a tighter strap is used but actually its not, and vice versa

Ei discussion ta onek lengthy hoye jabe, best hoi ami desh e ashi, we'l work it out together