Ryzen 4000 to be incompatible with x470, b450 boards and lower

[Mohiuddin]

AMD Confirms Ryzen 4000 ‘Zen 3’ Desktop CPU Compatibility With X570 & B550 Motherboards – No Plans To Support X470, B450, X370 Chipsets

Earlier and cheaper motherboards use smaller bios (16MB) chips, that's less storage space than needed. As a result, it became increasingly difficult for motherboard manufacturers to continue to add support for newer processors; it simply no longer fits on the bios chips. AMD will need 32MB BIOS ROM chips. AMD certainly gave series 300 and 400 a long lifespan as even most people did not expect to see ZEN2 supported on Series 400. In short, for Ryzen 4000 aka ZEN3 processors that are released in the future, require at least a B550 or X570 motherboard, mandatory. With B550 and X570, you thus are guaranteed to get support for Zen 3 processors when they get released. Much like before, support will be added through firmware updates that motherboard manufacturers will make available.

Small interesting fact though, MSI did release some Series 400 mobos labeled "MAX" which have been specifically fitted with 32MB BIOS ROM chip. It will be interesting to see if such a motherboard will get Ryzen 4000 support.

Source:
https://community.amd.com/community/...amd-socket-am4
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ry...-or-lower.html

https://youtu.be/av2hUxKypkE

[aayman]

All that good will, destroyed.

[Mohiuddin]

Yep.. i am inclining to support the INTEL .. at some point in near future. As it is going to be an underdog.

[aayman]

You can support whoever, but Intel is still performance king. AMD did an amazing job of convincing people Cinebench matters more than actual performance.

I’m glad Intel reduced prices though, that’s the biggest win for regular consumers.

[VANGUARD]

AMD Confirms Ryzen 4000 ‘Zen 3’ Desktop CPU Compatibility With X570 & B550 Motherboards – No Plans To Support X470, B450, X370 Chipsets

Source: https://community.amd.com/community/...amd-socket-am4https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ry...-or-lower.htmlhttps://youtu.be/av2hUxKypkE

Very good decision. People should understand that computing is not for the poor/deprived people. I want socket change with every new processors.

Gorib ghorer fokinni pola, new market er 1200 takar jeans ar 300 takar t-shirt pore idb giye chillai, "gaming pc kinbo, gaming pc kinbo." Kottoboro shahosh. Uchit shikkha hoise.

[aayman]

Only Vanguard things lol

[VANGUARD]

Talking from the standpoint of mere capitalism.

[Mohiuddin]

Very good decision. People should understand that computing is not for the poor/deprived people. I want socket change with every new processors.

Gorib ghorer fokinni pola, new market er 1200 takar jeans ar 300 takar t-shirt pore idb giye chillai, "gaming pc kinbo, gaming pc kinbo." Kottoboro shahosh. Uchit shikkha hoise.

Considering graphics card to be the most crusial part of a so called ""GAMING PC"" , things didnt change atall. Gpu are continuing to get pricey over time.
Even though i am not quite comfortable to consider myself a "gorib gaming pc odhikari" , i find myself to be very much budget sensitive dude when it comes to buy pc parts.

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You can support whoever, but Intel is still performance king. AMD did an amazing job of convincing people Cinebench matters more than actual performance.

I’m glad Intel reduced prices though, that’s the biggest win for regular consumers.

Performance king? How and at what margin? Prove.
Can u deny the fact that if it wasn't for AMD, then Intel would still force us to nibble on that same old 4c/8t skylake-gaming-cpu thing?
Yes, i am not liking AMD's recent moves like this and some other things like AMD gpu open. But, that's because it makes them like intel always was.

[aayman]

Performance king? How and at what margin? Prove.
Can u deny the fact that if it wasn't for AMD, then Intel would still force us to nibble on that same old 4c/8t skylake-gaming-cpu thing?
Yes, i am not liking AMD's recent moves like this and some other things like AMD gpu open. But, that's because it makes them like intel always was.

Yes we probably would be stuck at old performance growth rates if it wasn't for AMD. In terms of gaming the old is still true. Ryzen 3rd gen is the only good one out of the trio and even then we didn't really see any actual growth in overall gaming performance.

AMD completely conquered the HEDT space as well.

[VANGUARD]

Let me you a real life story and explain why price of the PC products should massively increase,

Chhele kono ekta pvt versity te CSE te pore, UCC te ashche ma ke shathe niye. Unfortunately, i was IDB on that time. Ami ask korlam, apnar ki dhoroner kaj, ki type pc nite chacchen. Tar requirements hocche C language er kisu kaj, 100 level coursework, ar regular powerpoint, spreadsheet type things. His budget was 80k. His mom told me in the polite most way, tar baba mara gese recently, she tar babar bari theke pawa jomi beche kisu tk paisilo, shei tk bank e rakhbe vabsilo. Ta na kore chhele university te uthse, boltese CSE porte hoile daami PC kinbe, tai she chheler baba ke kisu na janay oi taka diye cheler PC kine dite ashche. I can still clearly remember what she said, "Baba, tumi amar chler boyoshi, daam ektu kom raikho ar valo jinish diyo."

Im a pretty hardcore madafaka as you guys already know me very well, even myself found it hard to hold off my tears realizing the entire situation. I knew that scumbag just need a ~40k pc for his entire fking "coursework" and he'll be going right away to buy some pirated games after he's getting his "gaming pc".

Anyway, i used my personal account, which avails 20% clean discount on DP price. That's best i could do and i just said to the son, "you are a very very lucky son. ". Shuorer baccha biri khaite khaite oi boyoshe thot-mukh pura kala banay felse. She oi kala thot diye emon ekta hashi dilo je ami instantly bujhlam she eventually oi pc diye ki korbe.


One of the sad incidents of my life. I felt like taking him outside IDB, beating crap out of him, but again thought that, if i do that, his mom will shed more tears which i don't wanna see anymore. I know what kind of burden she is already having by her troublesome son.

[Mohiuddin]

^ pretty sad to know.
He is mostly BUT not completely responsible for being "the person " he grew up into. This society, education system, socalled online social media, the showing-off responsibility-evading trend of these young generation of ours, not-so-interactive parenthood .... these all are equally responsible for this. But, that's the way the world is now anyway. There's nothing we can't do now for that.
And for these type of customer, increasing price will do nothing except drying out their parent's pocket more.
Also, hurting the majority of actual PC Builders. Who are very much price/performance ratio sensitive. Saving every penny they can save on one part , from their already maxed-to-limit budget, to spend on other parts of their pc.
So , where were we??

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More on the topic. Some in depth talking.
https://youtu.be/T5X-8vZtml8

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It seems that the statement is being reverted back by AMD .

We hear that many of you hoped for a longer upgrade path. We hear your hope that AMD B450 and X470 chipsets would carry you into the “Zen 3” era. Our experience has been that large-scale BIOS upgrades can be difficult and confusing especially as processors come on and off the support lists. As the community of Socket AM4 customers has grown over the past three years, our intention was to take a path forward that provides the safest upgrade experience for the largest number of users. However, we hear you loud and clear when you tell us you would like to see B450 or X470 boards extended to the next generation “Zen 3” products. As the team weighed your feedback against the technical challenges we face, we decided to change course. As a result, we will enable an upgrade path for B450 and X470 customers that adds support for next-gen AMD Ryzen Processors with the “Zen 3” architecture. This decision is very fresh, but here is a first look at how the upgrade path is expected to work for customers of these motherboards.

We will develop and enable our motherboard partners with the code to support “Zen 3”-based processors in select beta BIOSes for AMD B450 and X470 motherboards.
These optional BIOS updates will disable support for many existing AMD Ryzen™ Desktop Processor models to make the necessary ROM space available.
The select beta BIOSes will enable a one-way upgrade path for AMD Ryzen Processors with “Zen 3,” coming later this year. Flashing back to an older BIOS version will not be supported.
To reduce the potential for confusion, our intent is to offer BIOS download only to verified customers of 400 Series motherboards who have purchased a new desktop processor with “Zen 3” inside. This will help us ensure that customers have a bootable processor on-hand after the BIOS flash, minimizing the risk a user could get caught in a no-boot situation.
Timing and availability of the BIOS updates will vary and may not immediately coincide with the availability of the first “Zen 3”-based processors.
This is the final pathway AMD can enable for 400 Series motherboards to add new CPU support. CPU releases beyond “Zen 3” will require a newer motherboard.
AMD continues to recommend that customers choose an AMD 500 Series motherboard for the best performance and features with our new CPUs.

Source : https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/am...after-all.html