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    Question Regarding Zotac brand reliability

    Planning to buy a RTX 2060 within this week. Zotac RTX 2060 AMP edition is available at UCC. Never used zotac GPU before. Is it a reliable brand in terms of build quality and durability? Expert opinion is fervently needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Riley View Post
    Planning to buy a RTX 2060 within this week. Zotac RTX 2060 AMP edition is available at UCC. Never used zotac GPU before. Is it a reliable brand in terms of build quality and durability? Expert opinion is fervently needed.
    Yes. Sister brand of Sapphire who makes Radeon cards. Been in business more than a decade or so. OTOH reliability and build quality is like any other brand. In terms of warranty, it's brought by UCC.

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    I have seen 4-5 zotac gpus specially the midrange single fan series from 1050ti to 1060 either burnt out or fans stopped working , the true sister of sapphire indeed

    I would suggest to wait for gigabyte one as smart is so far the best when it comes to claiming warranty in Bangladesh but then again zotac has 7 years of warranty (if i am not mistaken) so it's kinda your choice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Riley View Post
    Planning to buy a RTX 2060 within this week. Zotac RTX 2060 AMP edition is available at UCC. Never used zotac GPU before. Is it a reliable brand in terms of build quality and durability? Expert opinion is fervently needed.
    Brand does not matter. Buy whichever is cheap.

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    I had the Zotac GTX 970 (non-amp, standard version) as my first GPU after returning to PC gaming. It was ok, but wasn't great. Roughly 6-7 months into using it, one of the fans started to give up. Thanks to UCC's good warranty policy I was able to get a replacement shortly, but even that had fan problems few months in! So I got it replaced again and few months later sold it off to someone as soon as I got my hands on a good 2nd-hand deal for an MSI GTX 1070, which is still going mighty strong for much over a year now with no failures whatsoever

    My verdict on Zotac: They're good. But avoid their lower end products. By that I mean you can totally count on their GTX 1070/1080/1080Ti/2070/2080/2080Ti Amp Extreme cards, as these all have better fans with better, beefier heatsinks, hence less prone to fan-related failures. As for Zotac's RTX 2060, I'd say it's best to avoid it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Riley View Post
    Planning to buy a RTX 2060 within this week. Zotac RTX 2060 AMP edition is available at UCC. Never used zotac GPU before. Is it a reliable brand in terms of build quality and durability? Expert opinion is fervently needed.
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    I'd rather wait for other brands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sensei View Post
    I have seen 4-5 zotac gpus specially the midrange single fan series from 1050ti to 1060 either burnt out or fans stopped working , the true sister of sapphire indeed

    I would suggest to wait for gigabyte one as smart is so far the best when it comes to claiming warranty in Bangladesh but then again zotac has 7 years of warranty (if i am not mistaken) so it's kinda your choice
    Whats about MSI Gaming Z series? it will be available in the first week of next month

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    As a reviewer of products such as Graphics cards, I have to very carefully pick and choose what I say about them these days. Instead of labeling certain brands, I'll share some general knowledge regarding graphics cards and the concept of "Tiers." Some marketing folks may not agree with what I am about to say, and I agree to (their) disagreement. The higher the tier the better the card (supposedly) is, and the price goes up as well. Sub Tiers are usually a sign of compromises, and are more affordable.

    Graphics cards as a whole can be separated in three tiers and can come with sub tiers. A single Graphics chip (read: as in a chip, like the TU102-400-A1) can have three different tier of Graphics cards built around it. I'll briefly go over them.

    Tier 1: Primarily The reference design cards. These have a sub tier or two these days.

    Starting from Turing series, nvidia has separated their make of cards in two different flavors. Reference, and Founders Edition. Reference cards have lower boost clocks, aren't allowed to be shipped with factory overclock, and usually is more affordable, if you can manage to find one. They share the same PCB design like the Founders Edition (to which I'll refer to as FE from hereon) but has a sub tier. The sub tier usually features a more compromised cooling, for example the dual axial fan cooling solution can be replaced with a single blower style cooling solution, and can have further compromises like the chokes and VRMs used being less expensive, and the exclusion of a backplate. The blower style cooling and compromised built cards are usually made for OEMs who ship pre builts, but these cards can also be found in our market, like Leadtek for example.

    Some vendors purposefully make shorter, or smaller version of these cards with a single fan design, that arguably can be classified in the same category, though these cards are priced nearly the same as the regular Tier 1 cards.

    Tier 2: Custom built cards with custom cooling. Manufacturers like ASUS, eVGA, GIGABYTE, MSI, Zotac, etc. can produce cards with their own PCB design and cooling solution of their choosing, though these cards don't have to meet both criteria (Custom PCB design and a custom cooling) to be placed in Tier 2. These cards usually employ enhanced cooling that makes them produce a lot less heat compared to the reference cards, can ship with factory overclock, depending on the level of out of the box overclock can have it's sub branch of it's own. For example, the ASUS STRIX Gaming, ASUS STRIX Gaming "OC," MSI Gaming, MSI Gaming "X," etc. The cards with suffix like OC or X in the name usually have higher factory overclock, the PCB and the cooling remain pretty much the same, which leads one to believe that the chips used in them are slightly better binned. May come with fancy features like removable/hot swapping fans, RGB, fan headers, brackets, etc.

    As usual, these have a sub category too.

    These cards don't necessarily have to use a custom PCB per se. They can use the reference boards and attach a custom cooler of their choosing. They usually perform slightly better or equal to the reference cards, thermal and performance wise. Since these days the performance of cards depend heavily on thermals and boost clock, there could be some variance from card to card, even if they share the same PCB and cooler due to not all chips being made equal. Example: ASUS' Dual Series of cards, MSI' Armor Edition, etc. The usual indication of identifying these cards is that the same manufacturer will have these same Graphics chips in more expensive Triple Fan cooling solutions instead of the more affordable dual fan solution.

    Some manufacturers may even choose to entirely ignore the primary Tier 1 cards and opt to make the sub tier cards of it's kind instead. Like GALAX, for example. The GALAX EXOC cards usually have better or equal thermals compared to FE cards. The usual way of identifying these cards is that when you google these for reviews, you will find very few reviews, almost close to no reviews.

    That takes care of the sub category of Tier 2.

    You'll often see people completely disregard tiers and make invalid comparisons between cards when it comes to pricing. One good example would be "বাংলাদেশে ASUS ROG STRIX GeForce RTX 2070 Gaming OC (a card which belongs to Primary Tier 2 with Triple Fan Cooling solution) কেন ৭৩ হাজার টাকা, আর MSI Gaming Z GeForce RTX 2070 (A card that meets the requirements for Tier 2 but has Dual Fan cooling solution) কেনই বা ৬৭ হাজার টাকা যেখানে GALAX GeForce RTX 2070 EX (a card that is of "sub" Tier 2) ৫২ হাজার টাকায়ই পাওয়া যায়, ব্যাটারা ডাকাত!"

    Tier 3: GODLIKE.

    These cards are made with the intention of being abused through overclocking and aren't recommended for the average user. Cards like ASUS' MATRIX, MSI's Lightning, eVGA's KINGPIN, GALAX HOF (?) etc. belong to this tier.

    Everything written above isn't absolute, and is strictly my opinion and subjective, and can have exceptions. But it is how generally manufacturers work with Graphics cards.
    Last edited by Fox Mulder; January 23rd, 2019 at 21:59.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Riley View Post
    Whats about MSI Gaming Z series? it will be available in the first week of next month
    MSI is no good either the only 2 brands i trust the most is gigabyte and asus atleast in Bangladesh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox Mulder View Post

    You'll often see people completely disregard tiers and make invalid comparisons between cards when it comes to pricing. One good example would be "বাংলাদেশে ASUS ROG STRIX GeForce RTX 2070 Gaming OC (a card which belongs to Primary Tier 2 with Triple Fan Cooling solution) কেন ৭৩ হাজার টাকা, আর MSI Gaming Z GeForce RTX 2070 (A card that meets the requirements for Tier 2 but has Dual Fan cooling solution) কেনই বা ৬৭ হাজার টাকা যেখানে GALAX GeForce RTX 2070 EX (a card that is of "sub" Tier 2) ৫২ হাজার টাকায়ই পাওয়া যায়, ব্যাটারা ডাকাত!"
    Totally agree with u.Cards internal component resistor,capacitor, thermal material surely matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoMoN.Khan View Post


    i think ur right in case of ram.
    I think Van is actually being sarcastic. Poking fun at the wrong perceptions of most people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox Mulder View Post
    I'll share some general knowledge regarding graphics cards and the concept of "Tiers." Some marketing folks may not agree with what I am about to say, and I agree to (their) disagreement. The higher the tier the better the card (supposedly) is, and the price goes up as well. Sub Tiers are usually a sign of compromises, and are more affordable.
    Bhai, I think it'll make slightly more sense if you switch around the tiers; as in tier 1 is the best and tier 3 the worse. I do like the way you've divided the tiers though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox Mulder View Post

    You'll often see people completely disregard tiers and make invalid comparisons between cards when it comes to pricing. One good example would be "বাংলাদেশে ASUS ROG STRIX GeForce RTX 2070 Gaming OC (a card which belongs to Primary Tier 2 with Triple Fan Cooling solution) কেন ৭৩ হাজার টাকা, আর MSI Gaming Z GeForce RTX 2070 (A card that meets the requirements for Tier 2 but has Dual Fan cooling solution) কেনই বা ৬৭ হাজার টাকা যেখানে GALAX GeForce RTX 2070 EX (a card that is of "sub" Tier 2) ৫২ হাজার টাকায়ই পাওয়া যায়, ব্যাটারা ডাকাত!"

    I have to disagree to some extent. While I agree that comparing entry lvl GPU models to highest tier models is stupid. There is a very valid case to consider Asus/MSI as "Dakats".

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    The image above says everything Gigabyte's flagship Auros 2070 costs 61k
    While entry lvl or as you call them "Sub tier 2" MSI armor costs 66k and Asus' Dual 2070 costs 67k.
    There is no justification for this trashy pricing. They are charging way too much per $.



    Gigabyte Aorus: https://ryanscomputers.com/gigabyte-...8gc-12004.html
    MSI Armor: https://ryanscomputers.com/msi-rtx-2...hics-card.html
    ASUS Dual: https://ryanscomputers.com/asus-dual...x2070-o8g.html


    So yeah when many people call MSI/Asus dakats they have a point

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    Ah, yes. The AORUS cards. Online, and even when inquired over the phone, they tell you the AORUS cards are available and are in stock at said price. You make your way over to Smart, Computer Village, Onyx Computers, or any retailer of your choosing, more often than not, you'll be told that the card is no longer in stock, or they are fresh out of stock. Only Ryans have these listed on their site. Go to Smart or Computer Village's website, and you'll notice that they aren't listed there. Smart is usually very "Smart" about pricing and uses the phrase "Call for Price" on cards like these. I can't comment on how Ryans are managing to have these cards in stock, let alone putting up special prices.

    Oh, and despite GIGABYTE having a triple fan cooling solution, their thermals aren't that good, and is slightly better than reference card. The ASUS STRIX RTX 2070 runs at 62 degrees Celsius while the AORUS XTREME RTX 2070 runs at 72 degrees under the same ambient temperature. Which lands the card at primarily Tier 2, but more in line with Sub Tier 2. If these cards were really that great

    One can call a GT 1030/ GTX 1050 an entry level graphics card, but I just couldn't get myself to call a RTX 2070 that, regardless of what compromises that's been made to it in terms of cooling and what not an entry level card. Hence the sub Tier 2 naming. Even entry level cards have separate tiers, believe it or not. Some GTX 1050/1050 Ti cards have single fan cooling while some have Dual fan, and some GTX 1050 Ti cards require a 6 pin PEG connector while there are others that don't. Some GT 1030 cards have a larger fan/sink. Take GALAX's GT 1030 cards, for example. One is low profile, the other is regularish.

    The ASUS Dual cards have absolute trashy pricing, that I'll agree with. The STRIX is more acceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahnaf_i7X View Post
    I think Van is actually being sarcastic. Poking fun at the wrong perceptions of most people.
    No, he actually isn't. If you're not too keen on overclocking and such, choosing the most affordable card that ticks the most checkboxes for features within your budget is actually what I'd do.
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    @Fox Mulder , bhaiya what would be your opinion on the Zotac 2060s brought by UCC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipanzan View Post
    @Fox Mulder , bhaiya what would be your opinion on the Zotac 2060s brought by UCC?
    Me too wanna know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohiuddin View Post
    Me too wanna know
    Yeah eagerly waiting! The 2060s seems to be a good card for 1080-1440p.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipanzan View Post
    Yeah eagerly waiting! The 2060s seems to be a good card for 1080-1440p.
    Like he said, she's a ReVieWEr now. Ask him in private massage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipanzan View Post
    Yeah eagerly waiting! The 2060s seems to be a good card for 1080-1440p.
    Yep i am in between buying from here or order from usa . If u decide to buy from ucc, let me know, u and me can go along to multiplan.

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    Zotac makes decent cards. They do cut corners here and there, but that's the only way they can achieve their pricing, which wouldn't be possible otherwise. Their products aren't burdened by things like brand value, so overall the price performance is okay. These cards do sell a lot in our country, and therefore are likely to have higher failure rates, specially when the average consumers aren't knowledgeable enough to properly keep their PCs clean, or are skeptic when it comes to buying a good PSU, or are simply stupid and (ab)use MSI Afterburner to set a steady fan speed of 80% at all times during gaming thinking GPU temps above 60 degrees is simply unacceptable, so there's that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohiuddin View Post
    Yep i am in between buying from here or order from usa . If u decide to buy from ucc, let me know, u and me can go along to multiplan.
    Let me tell you a short story. The Founder of PC Builder Bangladesh, Zahid bhai bought a STRIX 2070 from Thailand. After using the card for like 2 hours, it started artifacting, and ended up completely dead. It had warranty, and Zahid bhai frequents Thailand due to his business, so he was able to claim RMA for the card. But meanwhile, he ended up buying a STRIX 2080 Ti locally, as the downtime to claim RMA for the aforementioned card that he purchased only saved him like 5Kish (would be around 10K ish for the 2080 Ti had he bought it from abroad) is simply not worth it. Always buy GPUs, Motherboards, and storage locally. The rest you can buy from abroad as they are less likely to fail.
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