Need a new desktop to replace my 7 year old one. Can anyone help? (budget 80-100k)

[Rias]

Long story short, I need a new gaming PC for gaming and game/software development. I've never built my own pc before so I have no experience in this field. I don't even know which shops to use. I'll be using the template to list my needs.

1. Q: What is your budget?
   
   1. 80-100k
   
   
2. Q: What is your existing hardware configuration (component name - component brand and model)
   I'm skipping this part since I don't wish to use my old pc's parts.
3. Q: Which hardware will you be keeping (component name - component brand and model)
   None.
4. Q: Which hardware component are you looking to buy (component name). If you have already decided on a configuration then please mention the (component brand and model) as well, this will help us in fine tuning your requirement.
   
   1. CPU - Intel Core i5 or i7 (preferably the newer models)
      
   2. Motherboard - any compatible motherboard
      
   3. GPU - GTX1060/1070 if it fits in the budget or 1050(minimum)
   4. I'd like an SSD +HDD combo. Since that'd be pricy, I'm willing to buy a 128/256gb SSD first and add the HDD later.
   5. Keyboard- I've heard that mechanical keyboards are the best but I don't know how much they cost.I'm ok with a normal keyboard
   6. RAM: 8/16GB
   
   
5. Q: Is this going to be your final configuration or you would be adding/upgrading a component in near future. If yes then please mention when and which component
   
   1. Yes, will upgrade the following within 6 month
   2. Ram: maybe increase it to 16 gb if it isn't already.
   3. HDD if it already doesn't have one.
   
   
6. Q: From where will you buy these hardwares?
   
   1. Bangladesh
   
   
7. Q: What is your intended use for this PC/hardware
   
   1. Gaming
   2. Browsing
   3. Desktop Processing
   4. General programming stuff(I'm a CSE student)
   5. Some 3d modelling
   
   
8. Q: Do you have any brand preference or dislike? Please name them and the reason for your preference/dislike.
   
   1. none
   
   
9. Q: If you will be playing games then which type of games will you be playing?
   a.Most AAA games(dishonored, Witcher , overwatch etc). I haven't been able to play the latest games on my old rig since it didn't have a dedicated graphics card.SO i'd like to play them .I'm okay with mid to low settings for graphics.

1. Q: What is your preferred monitor resolution for gaming and normal usage
   a.I'm not sure I'd like a FHD monitor if it fits the price. I don't need a 4k one.
2. Q: Are you looking to overclock?
   
   1. No.
   
   
3. Q: Which operating system do you intend to use with this configuration?
   
   1. Windows 10 (64 bit preferably)
   
   

I really need your help. I'd also like to know which retail store to buy parts from since I don't have any relatives who are experienced.Thanks in advance.

[Iskander]

Processor: Ryzen 1600 or Intel 8th Gen i5 (avoid previous gen) @ 16~18K
Motherboard: ASUS B350 Plus (ryzen) @ 9K or wait a month or two for upcoming budget Intel mobo
Ram: 8GB DDR4 @ 8K
HDD: Samsung 850 EVO 256GB SSD + 1 WD/Toshiba HDD @ 9K+4K
GPU: ASUS Strix GeForce GTX1060 DC2 6GB @ 30K
PSU: minimum 80+ Bronze certified 550W ; Brand: CM,Antec,Seasonic @ 5~6K
Monitor: HP 22ES @ 10K
Casing: Your Choice (cheap one cost @ 3~4K)
Total: 98K + 2K for accessories

*** Get 8GB Ram for now & upgrade it later. Grab (at least 256GB) SSD right now

[Rias]

Processor: Ryzen 1600 or Intel 8th Gen i5 (avoid previous gen) @ 16~18K
Motherboard: ASUS B350 Plus (ryzen) @ 9K or wait a month or two for upcoming budget Intel mobo
Ram: 8GB DDR4 @ 8K
HDD: Samsung 850 EVO 256GB SSD + 1 WD/Toshiba HDD @ 9K+4K
GPU: ASUS Strix GeForce GTX1060 DC2 6GB @ 30K
PSU: minimum 80+ Bronze certified 550W ; Brand: CM,Antec,Seasonic @ 5~6K
Monitor: HP 22ES @ 10K
Casing: Your Choice (cheap one cost @ 3~4K)
Total: 98K + 2K for accessories

*** Get 8GB Ram for now & upgrade it later. Grab (at least 256GB) SSD right now

Do you think that the Ryzen is worth it despite the gaming performance drop? I don't plan to overclock honestly.

As for the graphics card, I think I can shell out a bit more for the gtx1070 but I don't think it'll have much of an effect unless I go for a 1440p monitor. Would you recommend the 1070 anyways?

I have a 1376x768 monitor so even 1080p would be a big improvement for me. 1440p seems like overkill for me.

[aayman]

Ryzen is worth it only if you get good RAM sticks (3000+ bus speed) as well, otherwise stick with Intel (but make sure you factor in the cost of Z370). Also, try and get 16GB instead of 8GB RAM

[Fox Mulder]

If you can hold out till February next year, you can get a Core i5 8400 that stomps RyZen in gaming, and isn't all that bad in productivity. In fact, you'll get better results than a RyZen 5 1600 if Software Development is your thing as IPC helps with compiling time than just number of Core/Thread count.

The RyZen pricing in our country is just stupid as a RyZen 5 1600 is actually priced higher than a Core i5 8400.

[Rias]

If you can hold out till February next year, you can get a Core i5 8400 that stomps RyZen in gaming, and isn't all that bad in productivity. In fact, you'll get better results than a RyZen 5 1600 Software Development is your thing as IPC helps with compiling time than just number of Core/Thread count.

The RyZen pricing in our country is just stupid and a RyZen 5 1600 is actually priced higher than a Core i5 8400.

Is that because of the new H370 mobo that'll come out next year? I checked the prices for the cheapest Z370 I could find (gigabyte HD3) and it's almost 14k. If I skip on the HDD for now I should be able to afford it. I don't think I can wait for February. My classes start at the end of march and it'll be pointless to have a good PC if I don't have time to do anything.

[TRazerK]

Is that because of the new H370 mobo that'll come out next year? I checked the prices for the chapest Z370 I could find (gigabyte HD3) and it's almost 14k. If I skip on the HDD for now I should be able to afford it. I don't think I can wait for February. My classes start at the end of march and it'll be pointless to have a good PC if I don't have time to do anything.

Pairing up a Z370 motherboard with an i5 8400 may not be a bad idea after all. It keeps the option open for possible upgrades to either an i5 8600k or i7 8700k in the future if you ever want/need to.

Or, you could just go with the Ryzen 5 1600 now and grab the next equivalent (but significantly higher clocked) Ryzen+ whenever it comes out. Choice is yours

[Rias]

Pairing up a Z370 motherboard with an i5 8400 may not be a bad idea after all. It keeps the option open for possible upgrades to either an i5 8600k or i7 8700k in the future if you ever want/need to.

Or, you could just go with the Ryzen 5 1600 now and grab the next equivalent (but significantly higher clocked) Ryzen+ whenever it comes out. Choice is yours

I see. I'll go with the i5 anyways. The extra price for the mobo isn't much of a problem and it's not worth waiting till February for a price drop.

Anyways, where do you guys normally buy parts from? Do you buy them from retail shops in BCS computer city? If so, do you know any good shops to recommend? Or is it better to order stuff from online shops and assemble it yourself. I would like to give it a shot.

[Iskander]

Getting a Z370 mobo for a non K CPU is not a good idea at all. Users hardly changed their Processor rather than other parts.

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Binarylogic, UCC, StarTech, TechLand, OSGS are good shops for getting reasonable pricing. If you have Zero experience assembling PC, then avoid this risk.

[Fox Mulder]

Incorrect. A Z370 motherboard will allow all the Cores on the Core i5 8400 to boost up to it's maximum Turbo clock, which is 4.0 GHz by simply adjusting multipliers in the BIOS.

The Core i5 8400 at stock performs near identical to a stock Core i7 7700K in games. With that boost I speak of, it'll definitely be in the lead. The only caveat I see is that the 8th Gen processors require an aftermarket cooler as the stock cooler simply doesn't cut it.

[Iskander]

Incorrect. A Z370 motherboard will allow all the Cores on the Core i5 8400 to boost up to it's maximum Turbo clock, which is 4.0 GHz by simply adjusting multipliers in the BIOS.

Didn't know this feature exist!!!! :/

[VANGUARD]

Didn't know this feature exist!!!! :/

Its called MCE. Multi Core Enhancement

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Look ar my gadgets first. Then i have some personal opinion to share:

1. An i7 for todays games is necessary.
2. A K series i7 is ABSOLUTELY unnecessary.
3. Focus more on RAM speed. It gives you significant boost on your FPS. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY GPU BOTTLENECK.
4. Don't go for Pcie based ssd. No real world benefit over regular Mlc SATA drives.
5. Don't buy cheap liquid coolers. Please. Good air cooler > Cheap Liquid coolers.

[Iskander]

Found it :3

[TRazerK]

@OP, Here's something that should really help you decide on your CPU for gaming: https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/...5_8400/12.html

Also, take notes on the overclock section of the review. Not bad I'd say for a locked i5 6-core cpu

[Rias]

Its called MCE. Multi Core Enhancement

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Look ar my gadgets first. Then i have some personal opinion to share:

1. An i7 for todays games is necessary.
2. A K series i7 is ABSOLUTELY unnecessary.
3. Focus more on RAM speed. It gives you significant boost on your FPS. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY GPU BOTTLENECK.
4. Don't go for Pcie based ssd. No real world benefit over regular Mlc SATA drives.
5. Don't buy cheap liquid coolers. Please. Good air cooler > Cheap Liquid coolers.

Can you explain why an i7 is a must? The main benefit I can see is hyperthreading. AFAIK most games don't make use of so many threads. Besides, if I stick to a gtx 1060 then the GPU is going to be the bottleneck. The GTX 1060 should be handle most games at 1080p. So if I don't go for a 1440p or a 4k monitor, it shouldn't be much of a difference. Of course, future games will make more use of hyperthreading.

[VANGUARD]

Witcher 3 is a game of 2015. When i used my 6600K with my 1080Ti, i got around 50 fps in crowded areas. When i upgraded to 8700k, i now get smooth 75fps in all areas. My monitors max refresh rate is 75hz.

Similar things happened with other open world games as well.

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And about 1080p, its an era of 4k. I feel ashamed that i use a 1440p monitor. I dont know how someone can use a 1080p monitor in 2017 when his phone has a better resolution than his monitor.

[furiousTaher]

are u really going to do some 3d modelling? if the answer is yes then stay the fudge away from amd gpus.
for cpus... amd cpus are generally better or equal to intel price to price for 3d modelling. but it depends on software i think, for unreal engine intel is lot faster still.


not to start world war 3 but vanguard is theoretically right about the era but practically DEAD WRONG. in BD if u are a good engineer u earn 12k-15k per year, medium engineer earns 4k-6k. in 1st world countries med engine 60k $ and good engine 90-110k $. so basically 8-11 times higher wage than bangladesh.

and I am not even gonna mention monitor vat rates thats gonna make u furious. you as a student and gamer have to make do with your limited budget. and if u get more budget focus on buying good monitor rather than getting a 4k display with crappy TN panel.

now on topic- for cpu its pretty competitive now after intel 8 series...

to others, can somebody gimme a comparison between ryzen and new 8400 8600k for 3d software like ue4 unity 3dsmax blender etc?


i so far can suggest 8400+ some cheap mobo, or what have been suggested in post#2 is good also

[Rias]

Witcher 3 is a game of 2015. When i used my 6600K with my 1080Ti, i got around 50 fps in crowded areas. When i upgraded to 8700k, i now get smooth 75fps in all areas. My monitors max refresh rate is 75hz.

Similar things happened with other open world games as well.

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And about 1080p, its an era of 4k. I feel ashamed that i use a 1440p monitor. I dont know how someone can use a 1080p monitor in 2017 when his phone has a better resolution than his monitor.

Well, The witcher still is pretty demanding for a AAA game. I haven't been able to play any modern game on my old PC so of course I have a lot of graphics intensive games I want to play. But all things considered, the list of indie games I want to play is much longer.

I do agree that the era of 1080p will end soon. But there aren't many graphics cards able to support 4k gaming. A 1440p monitor would be nice for general software development and browsing. However,I'd have to upgrade to a GTX 1070 and be able to pay extra for the monitor. I can't pay that much right now.

[VANGUARD]

My next target:

https://www.samsung.com/us/computing...0qqnxza/#specs

[Sami 1999]

And about 1080p, its an era of 4k. I feel ashamed that i use a 1440p monitor. I dont know how someone can use a 1080p monitor in 2017 when his phone has a better resolution than his monitor.

Because 1080 Ti still can't maintain locked 60 FPS at 4k max settings in demanding games. And 4k is overpriced as hell.

"I dont know how someone can use a 1080p monitor in 2017"

It's because people can do what they want. 1080p magically didn't become ugly all of a sudden. Heck even CRT TVs look good as long as you don't sit close to it. Infact, 480p on CRT TV is completely tolerable.