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    The Christian Bible says that in the beginning God
    said "Let there be light" Genesis 1:3. However this
    turned out to be false. The universe was opaque
    to visible light (non-transparent) and photons
    couldn't travel at all. After the Big Bang the
    universe was primarily Hydrogen, Helium and a
    tiny bit of Lithium. However when a gas is too
    hot it becomes ionized (loses the electrons) and
    becomes opaque (like today's smoke). In the
    beginning the universe was opaque to visible light
    (non-transparent). After 380,000 years the
    universe cooled enough and it became
    transparent to visible light. For other wavelengths
    it was opaque for a billion years. So "Let there be
    light" turned out to be false. However the Quran
    correctly said that at the beginning it was
    SMOKE, that is, a hot non-transparent gas:
    [Quran 41.11] Then He directed himself to
    the Heaven when it was SMOKE, and then
    said to it and to Earth: "Come willingly or by
    force" they said "We do come willingly"
    How could an illiterate man who lived 1400 years
    ago have known that it was just smoke after the
    Big Bang?
    The universe was created in a Big Bang 13.7
    billion years ago, is still expanding today, and
    billions of years from now it might recollapse by
    its own gravity with a Big Crunch (or continue
    expanding forever, Big Chill). Moslems say that
    this is what Allah says. The Quran says that on
    the first day of creation, God made the heavens
    and the Earth meshed together, tight and
    compact (Big Bang), continues to expand it into
    the universe we know today and at the last day
    God will recompress it into its original state (Big
    Crunch). About the first day (Big Bang), Allah
    says:
    [Quran 21.30] Do not those who disbelieve
    see that the heavens and the Earth were
    meshed together then We ripped them
    apart? And then We made of water
    everything living? Would they still not
    believe?
    In the Quran the Heavens expanded from a single
    point.
    Cosmologists just confirmed the existence of
    "Dark Energy", a mysterious repulsive force that
    acts in opposite to gravity. As the distance
    increases, the attractive gravitational force
    decreases but this mysterious repulsive force
    increases. This repulsive force is pushing galaxies
    apart; the greater the distance the greater the
    repulsion. Scientists today do not know what this
    "Dark Energy" is, but they know that it is causing
    the entire universe to expand at an increasing
    rate.
    [Quran 51.47] And the heaven, We built it
    with craftsmanship and We are still
    expanding.
    The Quran told us about this expansion 1400
    years before it was discovered.
    There are three possibilities to how the universe
    could end: Big Crunch (Quran), Big Chill and the
    Big Rip. NASA recently ruled out the third
    scenario (No Big Rip; see also: Universe Today).
    This leaves the universe with only two possible
    endings: Big Chill or Big Crunch, depending on
    what this Dark Energy turns out to be. Learn
    more: Expansion of Universe in Quran. In the
    Quran God promises to make the Big Crunch:
    [Quran 21.104] On the day when We will
    fold the heaven, like the folder compacts
    the books, and as We originated the first
    creation We shall return it; a promise
    (binding on Us); surely We will deliver.
    Here God promises to make this Big Crunch
    however not by gravity but rather by folding the
    Heavens like a book, that is, by the same
    mechanism He controls wormholes. This means
    that this Big Crunch can begin and end in a
    fraction of a second!
    Also after this Big Crunch is over, God promises
    to recreate those heavens and Earth once more
    before Judgment Day:
    [Quran 14.48] On the day when Earth will
    be swapped by another Earth and so will
    be the heavens; and all (creatures) will
    resurrect before the One Dominant God.
    [Quran 36.81] Is He not, who created the
    heavens and the Earth, capable of creating
    others like them? Yes, indeed! He is the All-
    Knowing Creator. His command, if He
    wanted a thing, is that He only says to it,
    "BE" and it becomes! So glorified is He in
    whose hands is the dominion of all things,
    and to Him you shall be returned.

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    Didnt have the patience to read the whole thread....but one thing im sure that if Earth stays lyk it is now today..the Earth's gonna be destroyed due to the Sun running out of Hydrogen..nd starting to burn Helium as fuel...slowly it gets bigger...nd due to the immense heat All lyf on Earth will Vaporize....

    nd the for the Universe...Big Crunch is gonna happen as the scientists suggests....coz the universe is expanding....nd one day that's gonna stop..nd the opposite will start...THE BIG CRUNCH!!!

    (These were scientific assumptions...ive not given any religious explanations yet)
    Last edited by maheer.dhruba; January 19th, 2013 at 17:07.


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    Bhai, Just akta kotha Science diye Religion proof korar bartho chesta koiren na, because science r base holo proman ar religion r base holo believe. Duita duitar oposite. Adikal thekei duitar birodhita. Anyway who said religion need to be proved ?
    Akta time cilo jokhon science k bola hoto vua, Galileo Galilei r time a science r jonno jibon o dite hoy onek r but akhon dakhen church gula science diyei proof korar chesta korteche religion k.
    koyekdin age kon blog a dakhlam jeno "amadr prophet e naki god particle exist kore boila geche" bullshit.
    Science k science r moto cholte den, religion k religion r moto.
    PS-I'm sorry if I've offended you. btw aeitai source?
    http://www.speed-light.info/miracles...ang_crunch.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaib View Post
    Bhai, Just akta kotha Science diye Religion proof korar bartho chesta koiren na, because science r base holo proman ar religion r base holo believe. Duita duitar oposite. Adikal thekei duitar birodhita. Anyway who said religion need to be proved ?
    Akta time cilo jokhon science k bola hoto vua, Galileo Galilei r time a science r jonno jibon o dite hoy onek r but akhon dakhen church gula science diyei proof korar chesta korteche religion k.
    koyekdin age kon blog a dakhlam jeno "amadr prophet e naki god particle exist kore boila geche" bullshit.
    Science k science r moto cholte den, religion k religion r moto.
    PS-I'm sorry if I've offended you. btw aeitai source?
    http://www.speed-light.info/miracles...ang_crunch.htm
    kotha ta apni kake bollen???thread opener k??nki amake???


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    are you expecting a serious answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maheer.dhruba View Post
    kotha ta apni kake bollen???thread opener k??nki amake???
    Definately OP k if I understood correctly what he tried to state.

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    Lol i just wanted to know how u guys thought the universe will end and u misunderstood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaib View Post
    Bhai, Just akta kotha Science diye Religion proof korar bartho chesta koiren na, because science r base holo proman ar religion r base holo believe. Duita duitar oposite. Adikal thekei duitar birodhita. Anyway who said religion need to be proved ?
    Akta time cilo jokhon science k bola hoto vua, Galileo Galilei r time a science r jonno jibon o dite hoy onek r but akhon dakhen church gula science diyei proof korar chesta korteche religion k.
    koyekdin age kon blog a dakhlam jeno "amadr prophet e naki god particle exist kore boila geche" bullshit.
    Science k science r moto cholte den, religion k religion r moto.
    PS-I'm sorry if I've offended you. btw aeitai source?
    http://www.speed-light.info/miracles...ang_crunch.htm
    i think u dont have indepth knowledge about the one who created you and science is a matter which explains how the creator of all creation is making everything in the universe work logically.Science is not removing God it is removing false gods.

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    http://www.speed-light.info/

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    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread545618/pg1

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    Quote Originally Posted by bangla-_-gamer View Post

    i think u dont have indepth knowledge about the one who created you and science is a matter which explains how the creator of all creation is making everything in the universe work logically.Science is not removing God it is removing false gods.

    http://www.speed-light.info/

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread545618/pg1
    I totally respect your belief. So I wont argue with you. Just requesting you to read real physicist's work not some shitty websites run by church itself.
    Like this one by stephen Hawking - www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/055338466X/ref=redir_mdp_mobile

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    Quote Originally Posted by bangla-_-gamer View Post
    Lol i just wanted to know how u guys thought the universe will end and u misunderstood.
    Sorry I really misunderstood you. I didn't read the title properly. I just went through halfway of the thread (too big xD), then visited your source and by that got a wrong impression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaib View Post
    OT:amar mone hoe stephen hawkins nijei confused God bolte kono kisu ase naki na...Brief history of tym e she indicate korse j there's something lyk God...
    but recently she boltese there's nothing as God..:/ )


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    It is a really good question
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    Yes i knw abt that but the thing is when ppl started talking abt fact and the fact was going against bible the ruler on that time gave this people death penalty so the people who supported them began science as that what ever we invent even if it proves that over and over again that such complex beings like human and universe cant come to existence by coincidence without anyones interfierence they will one way or another neglect or ignore it and say there is no creator and it happend this or that way.

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    Logically without life after death this life cannot be justified

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    It wont matter, u wont be able to feel anything either way


    Guess what??? scan it??:

    Good enough GAMING RIG

    HApPy GAMing

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    you can't compare science and religion at the same time.if region is the root of a tree than science is leaf of that nice big tree. they don't go through same mechanism to keep the tree green and blazing with its glory. but they are part and parcel of life. when religion makes life balanced that time science makes life better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maheer.dhruba View Post
    OT:amar mone hoe stephen hawkins nijei confused God bolte kono kisu ase naki na...Brief history of tym e she indicate korse j there's something lyk God...
    but recently she boltese there's nothing as God..:/ )
    first question did you read Brief History Of Time. if not then there is lots of rumor and many critic are always ready to criticize about anything.and when you are in depth of science and in a superior place then you must face a question about the god existing, and if you say god exist then you have to provide enough evidence which is impossible and then those critic question about your theory. but i think they believe in god even for a single moment in their life though they can't express.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bangla-_-gamer View Post
    Yes i knw abt that but the thing is when ppl started talking abt fact and the fact was going against bible the ruler on that time gave this people death penalty so the people who supported them began science as that what ever we invent even if it proves that over and over again that such complex beings like human and universe cant come to existence by coincidence without anyones interfierence they will one way or another neglect or ignore it and say there is no creator and it happend this or that way.

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    Logically without life after death this life cannot be justified
    AFAIK down at the subatomic level, conjuring something out of nothing is possible, at least for a short while. Because at this level particles like proton can appear at random and then stay for a while and can vanish again. (Quantum Mechanics r law diye explain kora jay)
    And big bang r somoy universe itself was very small, even smaller than proton, so physics r kono law break na korei universe can have popped into existence.
    Now you may ask God taile physics r law banaiche? Sorry I have no desire to offend anyone of faith, actually I myself want to believe that I was wrong. But science has better explanation than religion. Einstein r law onusare, Big bang ar por time start hoy. Jokhon big bang start hoy tar just aktu age time howa possible na (imagine, akta black hole a akta watch pathalen, then dekhben watch ta off hoye geche extreme gravity r jonno, temni big bang aeo atto besi gravity cilo je time cilo na) and bujhtei parchen je time na thakle kono cause o thakte pare na. And cause na thakle cause ghotanor keu thakar possibity tao impossible.
    I mean time didn't exist before big bang. And so there's no time for God to create this universe. So asking this question is like asking for directions to the edge of earth as there's no edge of earth, earth is a sphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arka karlos View Post


    first question did you read Brief History Of Time. if not then there is lots of rumor
    mahhn... Amio aeitai bolte chaicilam anyway at Brief History of time a uni God exist kore kina oivabe likhe nai, actually aeitar subjectai puro alada. Anyway uni tokhon r dike just bolcilo je universe create korar jonno God just unnecessary.

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    scientifically and reliogiously frm bed to the holy QURAN

    within the creation system of universe ... there are uncountable ways incorporated of anhiliting it made possible just due to the very reson nad technique of creation itself

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    And amar kono iccha-ee cilo na God r existance niye question kora. Aeita khub e sensitive subject. Tai always avoid kori aei jinishta.

    Ami 1st post theke jeita bolte chaicilam, oita holo, you should not compare science with religion. And oi type website gulo'r lekhar porar manei hoy na. Agulor besirvag e nutral way te lekha hoy na, because either aeita kono religion fanatic khulche or church dara chole. So naturally ora chaibei jeivabe hok science diye religion r various quote gulo meaningful korbe ta sotti hok ar gajano hok. Believe me or not age akta aeitype ar site a porcilam je moon ar 1st landing a ajan sona gece, how funny! Moon a air-eee nai abar ajan suna jabe. Taile bujhen ki obostha !

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    Quote Originally Posted by genocide_cutter View Post
    scientifically and reliogiously frm bed to the holy QURAN

    within the creation system of universe ... there are uncountable ways incorporated of anhiliting it made possible just due to the very reson nad technique of creation itself
    Right but science has the most sensible, most resonable and PROVED answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaib View Post
    And amar kono iccha-ee cilo na God r existance niye question kora. Aeita khub e sensitive subject. Tai always avoid kori aei jinishta.

    Ami 1st post theke jeita bolte chaicilam, oita holo, you should not compare science with religion. And oi type website gulo'r lekhar porar manei hoy na. Agulor besirvag e nutral way te lekha hoy na, because either aeita kono religion fanatic khulche or church dara chole. So naturally ora chaibei jeivabe hok science diye religion r various quote gulo meaningful korbe ta sotti hok ar gajano hok. Believe me or not age akta aeitype ar site a porcilam je moon ar 1st landing a ajan sona gece, how funny! Moon a air-eee nai abar ajan suna jabe. Taile bujhen ki obostha !

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    Right but science has the most sensible, most resonable and PROVED answer.
    Can you prove science is right? Everything is not proved in science. You will find lots of unexplained questions in science. -_-'
    He who knows nothing think he knows everything.
    He who knows, know that he knows nothing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaib View Post
    AFAIK down at the subatomic level, conjuring something out of nothing is possible, at least for a short while. Because at this level particles like proton can appear at random and then stay for a while and can vanish again. (Quantum Mechanics r law diye explain kora jay)
    And big bang r somoy universe itself was very small, even smaller than proton, so physics r kono law break na korei universe can have popped into existence.
    Now you may ask God taile physics r law banaiche? Sorry I have no desire to offend anyone of faith, actually I myself want to believe that I was wrong. But science has better explanation than religion. Einstein r law onusare, Big bang ar por time start hoy. Jokhon big bang start hoy tar just aktu age time howa possible na (imagine, akta black hole a akta watch pathalen, then dekhben watch ta off hoye geche extreme gravity r jonno, temni big bang aeo atto besi gravity cilo je time cilo na) and bujhtei parchen je time na thakle kono cause o thakte pare na. And cause na thakle cause ghotanor keu thakar possibity tao impossible.
    I mean time didn't exist before big bang. And so there's no time for God to create this universe. So asking this question is like asking for directions to the edge of earth as there's no edge of earth, earth is a sphere.

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    mahhn... Amio aeitai bolte chaicilam anyway at Brief History of time a uni God exist kore kina oivabe likhe nai, actually aeitar subjectai puro alada. Anyway uni tokhon r dike just bolcilo je universe create korar jonno God just unnecessary.
    i think you are trying to tell about SINGULARITY(the point where time,space and energy were in same format and that is the source of big bang). after big bang time got separate from other and then we could count it.so that there is no reason of time counting before that
    and sending a watch in a black hole and then observing is impossible. as nothing gets out of it we can just make guess. time may stop or not we can tell nothing since we don't know about space condition inside black hole,as time and space are related together and they depend on each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arka karlos View Post
    first question did you read Brief History Of Time. if not then there is lots of rumor and many critic are always ready to criticize about anything.and when you are in depth of science and in a superior place then you must face a question about the god existing, and if you say god exist then you have to provide enough evidence which is impossible and then those critic question about your theory. but i think they believe in god even for a single moment in their life though they can't express.
    no i havent...but there was a documentary in National Geographic channel...where they discussed about his theories in brief history of tym..nd his new theories...oikhanei bolsilo....nd NAT GEO channel is quiet believable i guess...


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