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    Default Suggestions about gaming keyboard

    I ma thinking about buying a full sized led back-lit gaming keyboard with macro keys. My budget is below $100 so probably mechanical keyboards are out of my reach. I have some choices:

    http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-JQD-...pr_product_top
    http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-920-0...=logitech+g110
    http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-920-0...=logitech+g510
    http://www.amazon.com/Cyborg-Gaming-...itek+cyborg+V7

    Which one do you think will be best? My intial choices are Logitec G110 or Microsoft Sidewinder x4. Microsoft Sidewinder x4 has the best reviews but many users have complained that the paint on the keys wear off after using it for a few months. It is only keyboard with 3 years warranty though.

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    Corsair K90 is a budget friendly partial mech kb and has all the features you are requesting.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...condition=used

    <100 for slightly damaged packaging.

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    dont know about cyborg v7 but i am using eclipse 2 for 5 years and still it works like champ. personally i think logitech keyboards are the best. and dont fall in the trap of mechanical gimmick. totally useless if you are not playing competitively.

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    The Vengeance K90. Spending anything over $40 for non-mechanical keyboards are a waste of money. And Codename has got it all wrong, Mechanical keyboards are not gimmicks but membrane keyboards are.

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    ^ give me a good reason why i should spend 100 dollar which will give me a just an edge in competitive gaming. besides all the gamers in past 10 years who have won numerous competitive gaming, did all of them use mechanical keyboards? and what's wrong with membrane ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by codename5302 View Post
    and what's wrong with membrane ones?
    Because, Mechanical keyboards are way more responsive than normal membrane ones. They are much more clicky and you won't know what they are until you use one. Mechincal keyboards will last you 10x longer than a $100 Membrane keyboard. They feel alot better and are easier to maintain.

    Here's a quick comparison.
    MEMBRANE KEYBOARDS VS SCISSOR-SWITCH MEMBRANE KEYBOARDS VS MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS

    MEMBRANE KEYBOARDS SCISSOR-SWITCH MEMBRANE KEYBOARDS MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS
    Less expensive (fewer parts) More expensive Most expensive (each keyswitch is a part)
    Subjectively lighter touch due to 'squishiness' Subjectively bouncy touch due to scissor mechanism Subjectively harder touch due to tactile click which improves typing accuracy and speed (does not apply on light tactile keyswitches)
    Full travel distance (2.5 - 3.5 mm) Reduced travel distance (2.0 mm) Full travel distance (4 mm)
    Quieter as there is no audible click when typing Quieter as there is no audible click when typing Audible click while typing which improves typing accuracy and speed (does not apply on light tactile keyswitches)
    Actual force used is usually more than is necessary in order to ensure keystroke is generated Actual force used is usually more than is necessary in order to ensure keystroke is generated Actual force used is no more than is needed as tactile and audio feedback provides additional indicators of when keystroke is generated
    Not durable - 1 to 10 million keystrokes Can be more durable - 1 to 20 million keystrokes Very durable - 20 to 50 million keystrokes
    Over time keys become softer, harder, and/or sticky Keys are less prone to degrading, but harder to fix if they get stuck due to debris, etc. All keys maintain equal force throughout life of keyswitch (until complete failure)
    Keys snap back more slowly, and get slower as keyboard ages Keys snap back quicker, allowing maximum typing speed Keys snap back quickest, allowing maximum typing speed


    besides all the gamers in past 10 years who have won numerous competitive gaming, did all of them use mechanical keyboards?
    Many gamers have won tournaments using A4tech 2x mouses too. In other words, you can play games with a 9800GT too but why do you play with a GTX580? Do all gamers use GTX580s?

    just an edge in competitive gaming
    Well, that edge maybe just what you need to win. If you don't game competitively then a Razer Arctosa is a waste too unless you're just looking for bling, for that matter even high-end membrane keyboards are not much of an improvement from an ordinary 600 BDT Logitech K120. Just marketing gimmicks and lighting blings can grab $80 from your pocket (Taking Logitech G510 as an example, please don't sue me logitech )
    But at the end of the day, skills is what matters most, if you're cannot drive a Buggati Veyron its the slowest car in the world for you but if you can driver properly, you can compete with a Buggati Veyron using a Lexus LFA off the line.
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    thats what i said. if you game competitively then it has an utility. otherwise not a good investment. if you can play smoothly with a4tech and if it is reliable then i dont see any problem buying them. i play with 580 cause i want to play with this card for longer time. i didnt upgrade to 680 cause it doesnt have enough value for me to upgrade. imo buy things which "matters" not "to show off".

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    Quote Originally Posted by codename5302 View Post
    thats what i said. if you game competitively then it has an utility. otherwise not a good investment. if you can play smoothly with a4tech and if it is reliable then i dont see any problem buying them. i play with 580 cause i want to play with this card for longer time. i didnt upgrade to 680 cause it doesnt have enough value for me to upgrade. imo buy things which matters not "to show off".
    Exactly, in that case, anything above a Logitech K120/A4tech Gamemaster keyboard is just show-off unless you game competitively. And with a mechanical keyboard you can play for a much longer time in contrast to Membrane keyboards. But mechanical keyboards are used by hardcore typers too. Dunno how many people in BD use it but there's a HUGE thread in OCN regarding mechanical keyboards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eXcavator View Post
    Exactly, in that case, anything above a Logitech K120/A4tech Gamemaster keyboard is just show-off unless you game competitively. And with a mechanical keyboard you can play for a much longer time in contrast to Membrane keyboards. But mechanical keyboards are used by hardcore typers too. Dunno how many people in BD use it but there's a HUGE thread in OCN regarding mechanical keyboards.
    reliability is an issue here. logitech is fine. they make good keyboards and stuffs (not always) but a4tech has reliability issues. led backlighting and handrest are issues gamers should look into as they are helpful for your gaming (ergonomics i should say). but what's the point of mechanical keyboard has 20 mil keystrokes? does it warrant you can game with it for the rest of your lifetime without having issues? no. so why waste that much money on mechanical or any "show off" keyboards? cooling fan, marco key, teflon pad!!! for gods sake!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by codename5302 View Post
    reliability is an issue here. logitech is fine. they make good keyboards and stuffs (not always) but a4tech has reliability issues. led backlighting and handrest are issues gamers should look into as they are helpful for your gaming (ergonomics i should say). but what's the point of mechanical keyboard has 20 mil keystrokes? does it warrant you can game with it for the rest of your lifetime without having issues? no. so why waste that much money on mechanical or any "show off" keyboards? cooling fan, marco key, teflon pad!!! for gods sake!!!
    Entire Lifetime? No
    Ten years, Twenty years? Yes, possible
    Its 50 Million actually. 20 Mill is the minimum.
    For gods sake, Mechanical keyboards helps in competitive gaming. Just because you don't do it doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't. And membrane keyboards come with the "cooling fan, marco key, teflon pad" Bling, most mechanical keyboards are simple and only have whats needed for gaming. Back-lit isn't. If you look at your keyboard while gaming, the enemy will kill you with a knife. I would say a $100 Mechinical keyboard is 10x better than any membrane keyboard.
    @aayman @dipanzan @eXsTatik bhaias can help here. I'm tired of arguing -_-

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    And if the show-off part is pointing at me, then I'm not showing off here at all. I was actually posting with logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eXcavator View Post
    Entire Lifetime? No
    Ten years, Twenty years? Yes, possible
    Its 50 Million actually. 20 Mill is the minimum.
    For gods sake, Mechanical keyboards helps in competitive gaming. Just because you don't do it doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't. And membrane keyboards come with the "cooling fan, marco key, teflon pad" Bling, most mechanical keyboards are simple and only have whats needed for gaming. Back-lit isn't. If you look at your keyboard while gaming, the enemy will kill you with a knife. I would say a $100 Mechinical keyboard is 10x better than any membrane keyboard.
    @aayman @dipanzan @eXsTatik bhaias can help here. I'm tired of arguing -_-

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    And if the show-off part is pointing at me, then I'm not showing off here at all. I was actually posting with logic.
    no no, i didnt mean you. imo the total mechanical thing is just show off.
    the obvious tik tik sound is just irritating if you are not using headphone.
    and i have already used corsair one at my friends house. it felt nothing special to me. it may b worth to you. but i am talking from an average gamers perspective. i dont game competitively and most of the gamers dont play competitively. i play for fun.
    my old simple keyboard is membrane one and as it is serving me for 5 years for just 30 quids i will happily agrue for it.
    and thank you for sparing your valued time arguing with me. it does no harm.

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    Corsair K90 would be better, SS is overrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by codename5302 View Post
    no no, i didnt mean you. imo the total mechanical thing is just show off.
    the obvious tik tik sound is just irritating if you are not using headphone.
    and i have already used corsair one at my friends house. it felt nothing special to me. it may b worth to you. but i am talking from an average gamers perspective. i dont game competitively and most of the gamers dont play competitively. i play for fun.
    my old simple keyboard is membrane one and as it is serving me for 5 years for just 30 quids i will happily agrue for it.
    and thank you for sparing your valued time arguing with me. it does no harm.
    The thing with membranes are that they degrade quite fast and their actuation force changes with time too, it becomes mushy overtime (in comparison to mechs they are mushy to begin with anyway)

    That aside even if this is a gimmick for you, features like LED lights, 9000 macro buttons and over 9000 polling rates are real features that probably interest you .

    Mechanical keyboards arent Gimmicky at all besides most of them are no bullshit simple keyboards. Ever had a look at the rosewill RK9000 ? those are awesome boards for the money

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    http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-QuickFire-Mechanical-SGK-4000-GKCL1-US/dp/B0068INSUM/ref=sr_1_21?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1344705898&sr=1-21&keywords=Razer+blackwidow this uses blue switches from cherry mx and are wonderful to type on and are quite good for gaming as well since they are quite light and tactile, I did like these switches for gaming when I used my blackwidow but they have a very negligible issue with double tapping because of the charecteristics of the blues being as such that their reset point is above the actuation point so theoretically you can achieve a higher apm with linear blacks and reds compared to the non linear blues and browns but I have pretty much tried blacks blues and reds and can vouch for the fact that its mostly personal preference which goes hand in hand with how you play and use the keyboard.

    That being said I still cant figure out how someone can say mechanical keyboards are gimmicky.


    The Cm storm quick fire rapid uses the same OEM as the filco majestouch series which basically makes them awesome if you dont need the num pad ( which I think is useful since you dont have much space in lan anyway)
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    codename, if you think it only gives an edge in competitive gaming, then see this: http://geekhack.org/

    Yes you read it right, keyboard enthusiasts lol.

    Most pro gamers did not use mechs before because back then they were a lot more expensive than they are now. The price is falling everyday, you can bet more pro-gamers will switch to mechs if their budget allows it.

    And I know it doesn't seem like much, but typing is a whole new experience with mechs. Its just plain faster and a joy to use. I completely agree with all your value-related arguments but it's upto the person to determine what is valuable and what is not. If you don't value the enhanced experience in your typing then mechs are not for you, but if you do then you'll absolutely love them. If you ever want to try one out, I suggest you start with a Cherry Brown switch

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    Quote Originally Posted by aayman View Post
    codename, if you think it only gives an edge in competitive gaming, then see this: http://geekhack.org/

    Yes you read it right, keyboard enthusiasts lol.

    Most pro gamers did not use mechs before because back then they were a lot more expensive than they are now. The price is falling everyday, you can bet more pro-gamers will switch to mechs if their budget allows it.

    And I know it doesn't seem like much, but typing is a whole new experience with mechs. Its just plain faster and a joy to use. I completely agree with all your value-related arguments but it's upto the person to determine what is valuable and what is not. If you don't value the enhanced experience in your typing then mechs are not for you, but if you do then you'll absolutely love them. If you ever want to try one out, I suggest you start with a Cherry Brown switch
    i am definitely ready to give it another try if price seems reasonable. but spending like 80 pounds on a keyboard which wont give me any substantial benefit just irritates me. may be in next 2 years when price will come down to earth. but thanks anyway for the suggestion.

    most of the keyboards are just out of my choice. those which are totally simple doesnt come with handrest. those which come with handrest are over expensive with lots of gimmickry. why dont you make a simple type friendly keyboard with reasonable price? and why usb? why dont think of better alternative connection? and i am really surprised to see no mechanical from logitech.

    but i disagree about your opinion about pro gamers. none of them are constrain of budget not even in past 10 years. specially in first world countries. it is actually the gears which you are used to with.

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    Why wouldn't they be budget constraints, just because they are living in first world countries does not mean that they are bathing in money. All teenagers and young adults have money issues everywhere. Pro gamers are not all sponsored, and some of those sponsors don't even make mechanical keyboards.

    Razer introduced BlackWidow just a couple of years ago (2 I think) and now most of their sponsored team use it. SS mostly sponsor mice and gamers are free to buy any other brand of KBs. Its all in their contract, but by no means indicate that they have no budget constraints.

    And not everyone needs a handrest, like I find handrests to be a gimmick and don't even consider it when buying a KB. But its true that those that come with one cost a lot more whether mech or rubber dome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eXsTatik View Post
    The thing with membranes are that they degrade quite fast and their actuation force changes with time too, it becomes mushy overtime (in comparison to mechs they are mushy to begin with anyway)

    That aside even if this is a gimmick for you, features like LED lights, 9000 macro buttons and over 9000 polling rates are real features that probably interest you .

    Mechanical keyboards arent Gimmicky at all besides most of them are no bullshit simple keyboards. Ever had a look at the rosewill RK9000 ? those are awesome boards for the money

    - - - Updated - - -

    http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-...zer+blackwidow this uses blue switches from cherry mx and are wonderful to type on and are quite good for gaming as well since they are quite light and tactile, I did like these switches for gaming when I used my blackwidow but they have a very negligible issue with double tapping because of the charecteristics of the blues being as such that their reset point is above the actuation point so theoretically you can achieve a higher apm with linear blacks and reds compared to the non linear blues and browns but I have pretty much tried blacks blues and reds and can vouch for the fact that its mostly personal preference which goes hand in hand with how you play and use the keyboard.

    That being said I still cant figure out how someone can say mechanical keyboards are gimmicky.


    The Cm storm quick fire rapid uses the same OEM as the filco majestouch series which basically makes them awesome if you dont need the num pad ( which I think is useful since you dont have much space in lan anyway)
    bro, you are enthusiast. i am just an average gamer. for an enthusiast, the origin of bugatti verons tyre and the materials used in it is equally important thing. but for a toyota x type owner it is the mileage per litre.

    i am using eclipse 2 which is membrane one and dont know if it has degraded or not. but my hands are used to it and i am quite happy to buy another one if available. i dont understand polling rate, which processor used in a keyboard, onboard memory etc. i dont have any interest in which is better cherry brown, red or blue. i just want a good keyboard with value for money and ergonomic to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilton View Post
    Corsair K90 would be better, SS is overrated.
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    Which one is SS? Also the Corsair Vengeance K90 does not have mechanical switches for the escape, insert home, end , delete, pgup and pgdown keys. Will it be a problem if I use the keyboard for many years? And how are the Razer blackwidow 2013, standard, stealth, ultimate mechanical keyboards?
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    Quote Originally Posted by asif105878 View Post
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    Which one is SS? Also the Corsair Vengeance K90 does not have mechanical switches for the escape, insert home, end , delete, pgup and pgdown keys. Will it be a problem if I use the keyboard for many years? And how is the Razer blackwidow standard/ultimate mechanical keyboard?
    SS= Steelseries.

    In the K90, all the letter keys and arrow keys are mechanical. Only the Function keys and misc. keys like pg up/down, ins, are membrane. They did this to bring the KB to such a low price point.

    I personally bought the QuickFire Pro. Did not try it out yet but it does not have the macro functionality that you are looking for.

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    Any mechanical keyboards with all keys using cherry mx reds switches?

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