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    Sup guys, recently I've decided to go for a VPN and I don't have much knowledge about the different privacy, anonymity & security features offered by various VPN service providers so I decided to go ahead and research.

    Which led me to this interesting article: http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-pr...iously-111007/

    It summarises various VPN service providers by questioning them directly about their anonymity features, logging policies & follows up on that with reviews from other users of those services.

    The most important thing is that first of all VPN does slow down your internet connection speed some what depending on the proximity to the servers you're using, also some VPN service providers do have extensive logging features...so if you're out there doing some black hat 中中...don't be surprised when the Fed's start knocking in your doorstep...cos if there's a court order, VPN service providers are bound to hand over the log (identifying you) and comply with local laws.

    But there are also some VPN service providers in countries like Sweden, where the country itself has really strong laws that protect privacy & security of it's citizens...which allows VPN service providers in such countries to get away with not have logging features. Thus if you're using one of those services, there's a good chance your activities probably won't be logged at all.

    Also you might be asking why use VPN's in the first place?

    First of all VPN's do come with some cost unless you're using a free service which has it's downturns too. But, if you use something like iPredator (which is quite popular), it'll cost you like $21 for 3 months subscription...not sure if most of you guys have access to something like Paypal (which I last knew was still not allowed to operate legally @BD)...also some of you may be thinking that it is probably not worth the cost, well may be you're right on some aspects but what a VPN (Virtual Private Network) really does is tunnel your entire connection directly with their outgoing server so that everything you do online is completely encrypted through PPTP, CHAP or other network based encryption protocols. That means it's not just your ISP, even your next door script kiddy won't be able to MITM (man in the middle attack) you and sniff your login credentials, read your emails etc. It is especially useful if you're forced to use Wifi a lot cos Wifi, unless configured securely...is very insecure by default and if you end up using a public wifi (like in an airport, cafe or some where) it gets worse. So using a VPN resolves all that issue, and also another important reason for using VPN would obviously be to mask your identity and bypass filters which would allow you to do stuff you normally wouldn't be able to do based on your current location if you weren't using VPN.

    So anyway, I just thought it'd be useful sharing & discussing about this topic with you guys...let me know what you think about it (it was written in a hurry).

    If you have some important information related to this topic then feel free to talk about it & if you use any particular VPN service, please consider reviewing it as a user & I'd appreciate that

    Also please don't troll this thread, if you have other stuff to talk about consider starting your own thread and try to remain on topic.


    Thanks.
    Last edited by irenicus09; May 19th, 2012 at 13:57.
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    Thanks for da infos.
    In which country you currently live? As for BD, I guess it'd take at least ten years for BD people to start thinking about it. I dunno what's da alternative or how much reputation TorrentFreak has but how can you trust TorrentFreak's dat article?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FilClaw View Post
    Thanks for da infos.
    In which country you currently live? As for BD, I guess it'd take at least ten years for BD people to start thinking about it. I dunno what's da alternative or how much reputation TorrentFreak has but how can you trust TorrentFreak's dat article?
    Hmm...good question. Actually where I currently live is a question that I consider a slap in the face Lol.

    Well first of all, I'm Bangladeshi & currently I do not live in BD & from my own observation BD internet speed is already too damn slow...but it has gotten better over the past few years with the introduction of stuff like Wimax, etc. but you're right...perhaps BD users in general are not ready for VPN's just yet.

    I mean if you use something like a Grameen Phone connection, Lol...I dunno what to say. It's like even if you have a VPN service provider in BD, connection will still be so slow that pretty much pointless using a VPN. The slower connection is not just based on proximity but also because encryption slows things down, but on a fast connection the slow down would be barely noticable.

    Alternative to VPN's? Proxies....but who wants to use proxies? They are insecure & you have no idea what's running on it...also your connection is not tunneled or encrypted so it's pointless. But if you've heard of Tor, it's pretty much a good replacement for VPN but then again Tor is also insecure cos if you end up picking the wrong exit node, who knows may be a script kiddy is waiting happily and sniffing your connection. So VPN imo is a lot secure & if used in conjuntion with Tor, then you're like an Internet GOD Lol.

    Also I'm not asking you to trust TorrentFreak, they're just providing reviews...and it's upto you to read the policies & judge the VPN service providers yourself. Even if a VPN service provider claims not to log anything, who knows perhaps they're secretly working with the feds to uncover your online activities if you're doing something illegal, etc. and this got a lot of hackers from the group LulzSec busted after their logs were handed over by HideMyAss VPN service.

    So as long as you're not doing something illegal, you have nothing to fear anyway...but if you are doing it...then your only hope is your TRUST.
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    TY again for teh infos.
    Torrent-ing is the most common illegal thing our people does.
    So, no to VPN and ya to seedbox for us?

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    Look up TOR, its free and is the most widely used VPN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FilClaw View Post
    TY again for teh infos.
    Torrent-ing is the most common illegal thing our people does.
    So, no to VPN and ya to seedbox for us?
    Who said torrenting is ILLEGAL? It depends on your location & the local laws that are in place, in some countries torrents are legal irrespective whether or not the content being downloaded is legal or not.

    In BD, everything is legal cos the laws are weak or not effective. The government doesn't give a 中中 about copyright, I even doubt they give a 中中 about it's own people...cos if they did BD wouldn't be what it is today.

    Pirated games are like every where, and I went to this shop once and this guy was like "Bhai, this is Original!" Lol...I think he was referring to a better copy of the original game

    But ya download what ever you want when ever you want, as far as I know there's no law that prohibits torrents, or anything like that. And if you get caught downloading torrent....I mean how would you get caught anyway? Government @BD are too n00b to implement technologies to monitor it's internet traffic & filter illegal torrenting, etc. and it gives them no motive what so ever to do so. They're always after money, & according to them I think it's not a good place to make money yet


    Look up TOR, its free and is the most widely used VPN.
    Take a look at my second post, I did mention about Tor and it's weakness & imo no one would rely on Tor if they really care about their privacy. It's just too risky from what I've observed and also too slow cos initially it takes some time to build the right circuit & Tor needs time in order to figure out the optimum route for a fast a connection.
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    Lol post.

    Quote Originally Posted by irenicus09 View Post
    & according to them I think it's not a good place to make money yet
    Didn't get this line...


    Btw, I don't think BD people need VPN as the tech hasn't yet been implemented and there's still very few that kinda thief in here.

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    a) http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-pr...iously-111007/ <-- This guide bullshit.

    You need logs to actually be able to control openvpn, at the very least, you need to log the IPs (because ip masquerade is basically forwarding), which means we're back to square one.

    Easiest would be hosting your own, where you're your own boss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Codex View Post
    a) http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-pr...iously-111007/ <-- This guide bullshit.

    You need logs to actually be able to control openvpn, at the very least, you need to log the IPs (because ip masquerade is basically forwarding), which means we're back to square one.

    Easiest would be hosting your own, where you're your own boss.
    It's true that the best option is to get your own VPS and install OpenVPN or something similar on that...but I dunno it seems like VPS are more expensive and if you have no knowledge of *nix/Linux, you'll have to hire someone to configure everything for you...so ya if you're willing to pay and go for the trouble of configuring OpenVPN, administering your own server to make sure it's all patched up with the latest updates, etc then why not.

    But for most users it's just too much hassle and they don't wanna be bothered with the management part, and they're more than happy to just pay a small fee and get away with the same level of benefit...but there are drawbacks there too...like logging and stuff.

    In my opinion, everything has a cost attached to it...nothing is perfect.
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    Stuff like VPN and Proxies are needed to maintain privacy not just for downloading copyrighted material, but also for political reason. It allows for freedom-of-expression and privacy. With regards to BD, it isnt needed if you're downloading vids; but VPN's can be useful for ppl who are writing opinions, criticisms, and also those who are into hacking.

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    Good info.This'll come in handy if there really are anti piracy raids in BD . for the moment I use Usenet for all my stuff. I used to use torrents but I switched because my ISP and campus Wifi throttles torrents after a couple of MB downloads.But as soon as I get back to BD, it's torrents again don't want to waste my block GBs when it's not needed

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    Quote Originally Posted by aayman View Post
    Good info.This'll come in handy if there really are anti piracy raids in BD . for the moment I use Usenet for all my stuff. I used to use torrents but I switched because my ISP and campus Wifi throttles torrents after a couple of MB downloads.But as soon as I get back to BD, it's torrents again don't want to waste my block GBs when it's not needed
    Cool! Back when I was studying in U.S....I didn't even need to bother with torrentz...on our dorms we had this peer to peer file sharing system called DC++ setup, and you could pretty much download most stuff (even stuff that you won't find on torrents) there. Kids used to share like Terabytes of data with massive hard drives, tv series, games, movies, pr0n whatever man...and it was so fast that downloading gigabytes of data just took like 10-15 mins. Damn miss those days
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    How do you use Usenet, please tell me?

    Also, i dont think there will or should be any "anti-piracy" raids in BD. People barely have the ability to buy the original stuff... However, BD police do sometimes raid for pirated Bangladeshi dvd/cd's. but in my opinion, pirating them is also justified, since the quality of the deshi product is such crap. They cant even pack the disk in a nice box/case, no booklets, no special features, not even sealed packaging. The quality of the original local-CD/dvd is equal to the pirated foreign-CD/dvd's.

    Btw, this copyright stuff is used to keep developing countries under-developed. When the US started, they did not recognize these bullsh!t copyrights, thats how US quickly became a superpower. And nowadays, China has done the same and becoming a superpower. American's started industries by stealing PATENTS from britain/europe, and started making cheaper products on their own.

    They did this with the cotton and textile industry. In the old days, ppl made clothes by hand. Then the spindle was invented which made it much faster. But after that machines were invented in europe that made 10x the number clothes than a single person, then more and more, and different other innovations. America used these patents illegally to start its own industry, and quickly became one of the richest countries in the world.

    Let me tell you something: most of the third-world doesnt know sh!t. They take western concepts, which they know NOT 1 DROP OF HISTORY of, and try applying it to their own country. Because of that, they seal their own backwardness. Secularism, democracy, these are popular concept among third-world and first-world countries; but ppl dont know the real history behind them, just the "sugar-coated" propaganda. Hit me up, if your curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooCool View Post
    How do you use Usenet, please tell me?
    You need to purchase Usenet access. Look up Astraweb, there are a lot of others like GigaNews, ThunderNews etc but they delete files from there servers often and you won't be able to complete your downloads.

    After getting your access, look into SABNZBD, NZBMatrix and NZBSRUS. The first one is like the torrent client and the latter two are like the torrent file providers. You need to configure SABNZBD with the access details you get from AstraWeb. Use the SSL servers and you're golden

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    Quote Originally Posted by aayman View Post
    You need to purchase Usenet access. Look up Astraweb, there are a lot of others like GigaNews, ThunderNews etc but they delete files from there servers often and you won't be able to complete your downloads.

    After getting your access, look into SABNZBD, NZBMatrix and NZBSRUS. The first one is like the torrent client and the latter two are like the torrent file providers. You need to configure SABNZBD with the access details you get from AstraWeb. Use the SSL servers and you're golden
    that sounded complicated, simply because you said to go from this site to that site and so on.
    is there any online video-tutorial or something like that, that you're aware of?

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