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    Default SOPA is dead, but CISPA is not

    SOPA is dead, but CISPA may give Internet citizens a new cause


    Although the demise of SOPA is behind us, citizens of the Internet may have new cause for concern. The Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) has been gaining momentum and while it is distinctly different than SOPA, some argue it may even be worse than the aborted bill. Even if it isn't, at the very least, it does bring up the importance of security versus a right to privacy and what that means in today's digital world.

    Unlike SOPA, which was an intellectual property-specific bill focused on seizing domainnamesand -- in some cases -- making private companies judge, jury and executioner, CISPA is more about national security and intelligence gathering.

    In a nutshell, CISPA allows the government to request otherwise confidential information about individuals from private companies, like ISPs. That's nothing new, nor does it punish companies who don't comply with such requests. However, despite its seeming absence of teeth, it's true purpose is to grant federal criminal and civil protection to companies who do choose to cooperate. Under this bill, if federal authorities think you're up to no good, they can request your Facebook records, your ISPs logs and your Xbox Live history and essentially spy on you -- no warrant, probable cause or even a courtesy letter is required. Companies who do divulge whatever private information they have about you to the federal government can't be sued or prosecuted. This makes it much more likely that private actors will cooperate.

    EXEMPTION FROM LIABILITY - No civil or criminal cause of action shall lie or be maintained in Federal or State court against a protected entity, self-protected entity, cybersecurity provider, or an officer, employee, or agent of a protected entity, self-protected entity, or cybersecurity provider, acting in good faith -- (A) for using cybersecurity systems or sharing information in accordance with this section; or (B) for not acting on information obtained or shared in accordance with this section.
    Source: thomas.loc.gov

    Opponents of the bill, like the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), say CISPA is a clear violation of Fourth Amendment rights and sharply criticize the broad language of the bill. Others say it isn't so bad. Even so, this anti-CISPA petition had racked up over 650,000 signers at the time of this writing.

    Worst of all, the stated definition of "cybersecurity purpose" is so broad that it leaves the door open to censor any speech that a company believes would "degrade the network." Parts of the proposed legislation specifically state that cybersecurity purpose includes protecting against the "theft or misappropriation of private or government information" including "intellectual property." Such sweeping language would give companies and the government new powers to monitor and censor communications for copyright infringement. It could also be a powerful weapon to use against whistleblower websites like WikiLeaks.
    Source: action.eff.org

    Although there are many differences between CISPA and SOPA, proponents and opponents of each bill will likely find they overlap a great deal. It's worth noting that despite the differences, the reach of CISPA does specifically include intellectual property theft. Because of the broad language of the bill, it may inadvertently include many other aspects of our digital world as well.

    Information in the possession of an element of the intelligence community directly pertaining to a vulnerability of, or threat to, a system or network of a government or private entity, including information pertaining to the protection of a system or network from efforts to degrade, disrupt, or destroy; or theft or misappropriation of private or government information, intellectual property or personally identifiable information.
    Source: thomas.loc.gov

    Currently, the bill enjoys strong support on the house floor (about 100 members) and thesupport of at least 28 companies like Microsoft, Verizon, AT&T, Facebook (pdf) and Intel. Many of the same companies that currently support CISPA had denounced SOPA earlier this year. However, businesses may be discovering that CISPA aligns with their best interests as the legislation could effectively offload some aspects of user regulation to the federal government.

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    I'm against any 中中 that discourages piracy...!

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    Now they are after peoples privacy :/ They will never learn >.<

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    Piracy FTW, Piracy forever. 中中 SOPA, 中中 CISPA.

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    piracy is not good. how come piracy is good.anyone care to explain to me. see if i cant afford something , that's bad but that doesn't mean i have to steal it. bd te till now official game sell hoy na , so in a sense amra jei game pirate kore khelle oi sob game company er kono koti hoy na.cause they never counted us as a possible buyer. but in the end stealing is stealing , piracy is piracy. yes ami nijeo pirated game kheli but i wont say i like it. churi korar modde konoi moja ba gorbo korar bisoy nai.

    ar about acta pipa or laws like that , i dont think people are opposing them cause of piracy. they are opposing it cause thoese law will invade people privacy and it will give power to corp to control the internet or something something. this is not about piracy at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solid snake View Post
    bd te till now official game sell hoy na , so in a sense amra jei game pirate kore khelle oi sob game company er kono koti hoy na.cause they never counted us as a possible buyer.
    This is exactly where the differentiation lies. Piracy in BD is not the same as piracy worldwide because there really is no lost sale. But in countries where the games are officially sold, piracy partially kills sales.

    But this doesn't mean that people in BD should pirate freely, some stuff are sold officially like Kasperky and Bitdefender, those should be bought rather than cracked. If cracking is necessary then you can always use other suites, but pirating things which are officially sold can be regarded as a lost sale.

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    What about ACTA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by solid snake View Post
    piracy is not good. how come piracy is good.anyone care to explain to me. see if i cant afford something , that's bad but that doesn't mean i have to steal it. bd te till now official game sell hoy na , so in a sense amra jei game pirate kore khelle oi sob game company er kono koti hoy na.cause they never counted us as a possible buyer. but in the end stealing is stealing , piracy is piracy. yes ami nijeo pirated game kheli but i wont say i like it. churi korar modde konoi moja ba gorbo korar bisoy nai.

    ar about acta pipa or laws like that , i dont think people are opposing them cause of piracy. they are opposing it cause thoese law will invade people privacy and it will give power to corp to control the internet or something something. this is not about piracy at all.
    +1 to you bro.

    Same here. Piracy is no way good. And if the software/game/service is cheap enough I usually buy them. I bought all of the paid apps in andriod or use the limited free version. I use paid kaspersky internet security and steam version of CSS. And probably will buy Windows 8 legally.

    In respect to BD here no one can spend $50 for a game. thats not possible. Now i earn enough. but when I was a student that was like my entire months salary. Same goes for BD movies and music. I still cant afford a BD disk for 3k

    The antivirus companies got this right. just price the products right compared to the country.

    If EA/Ubisoft started selling games at $5-$10 in this country, real games maybe in DVDs or maybe from steam a lot of guys will actually buy the real games. I know I will.

    Same goes for movies. A BD movie for maybe 600tk is OK. and if they introduce a service like hulu/netflix it will be awesome.

    and no one pays 99c for songs a piece. $3 for an album is ok i think

    and lets not forget http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

    at the end of the day its easier to pirate than to get legal content.

    ---------- Post added at 08:35 ---------- Previous post was at 08:31 ----------

    Very good read on software piracy is here. This guy actually did some research to help you understand the facts

    http://blogs.balsamiq.com/product/20...ftware-piracy/
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    +1 to avas911 and solid vai
    Quote Originally Posted by avas911 View Post
    If EA/Ubisoft started selling games at $5-$10 in this country, real games maybe in DVDs or maybe from steam a lot of guys will actually buy the real games. I know I will.
    origin india te low price edition-e game release kore ... eirokom BD te korle onekei kinto I bet ... ami origin-e customer care-e onek din dhoira bohut chillaisi BD-r jonno ekta section korar ... retail na hok, digital edition sell korlei ami moha khushi thakbo ... k shune kar kotha, kono positive response nai
    ami nijeo ekhon amar pokkhe joto tuku possible original game and software kini and I think ekta stage-e shobai enough earn shuru korle shobar tai kora uchit


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    ---------- Post added at 18:23 ---------- Previous post was at 18:19 ----------

    and about piracy its not our demand,its our right.and we third world countries gained that right to pirate foreign intelligence products(medicine/patents/softwares/operating systems etc) till 2014. after 2014, god help us all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avas911 View Post
    +1 to you bro.

    Same here. Piracy is no way good. And if the software/game/service is cheap enough I usually buy them. I bought all of the paid apps in andriod or use the limited free version. I use paid kaspersky internet security and steam version of CSS. And probably will buy Windows 8 legally.

    In respect to BD here no one can spend $50 for a game. thats not possible. Now i earn enough. but when I was a student that was like my entire months salary. Same goes for BD movies and music. I still cant afford a BD disk for 3k

    The antivirus companies got this right. just price the products right compared to the country.

    If EA/Ubisoft started selling games at $5-$10 in this country, real games maybe in DVDs or maybe from steam a lot of guys will actually buy the real games. I know I will.

    Same goes for movies. A BD movie for maybe 600tk is OK. and if they introduce a service like hulu/netflix it will be awesome.

    and no one pays 99c for songs a piece. $3 for an album is ok i think

    and lets not forget http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

    at the end of the day its easier to pirate than to get legal content.

    ---------- Post added at 08:35 ---------- Previous post was at 08:31 ----------

    Very good read on software piracy is here. This guy actually did some research to help you understand the facts

    http://blogs.balsamiq.com/product/20...ftware-piracy/
    Which Unfortunately will never happen in BD.

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    SOPA and CISPA are not exactly to target piracy. That is only part of the incentive. The main point of the bills are to quell freedom of speech. Especially in response to the internet's role in the "Arab Spring" after OWS broke out in their own backyard, and not to mention Anonymous and Wikileaks.

    These bills allow the govt to takedown any website it deems a threat, without any process of appeal. "Piracy" is just an excuse, althought the RIAA and MPAA also have a stake in these bills, since crony Obama hired several of their men in the Justice Department. These bills are designed to supress free-speech as well as free-market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooCool View Post
    SOPA and CISPA are not exactly to target piracy. That is only part of the incentive. The main point of the bills are to quell freedom of speech. Especially in response to the internet's role in the "Arab Spring" after OWS broke out in their own backyard, and not to mention Anonymous and Wikileaks. These bills allow the govt to takedown any website it deems a threat, without any process of appeal. "Piracy" is just an excuse, althought the RIAA and MPAA also have a stake in these bills, since crony Obama hired several of their men in the Justice Department. These bills are designed to supress free-speech as well as free-market.
    politicians my ***.

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    White House questions CISPA cybersecurity bill ahead of floor vote


    The White House has expressed concern over the latest controversial cybersecurity legislation, the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA), which would let Internet companies divulge confidential customer records and communications.
    Unlike the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA), which was defeated by massive alliances including technology firms, civil rights groups and the public, CISPA is supported by many industry titans including Facebook, Microsoft, Oracle, Symantec, wireless carriers AT&T and Verizon. Even Intel supports CISPA and actually labeled the proposed legislation an "important step forward."


    Although the Obama administration stopped short of vetoing it ahead of its scheduled floor vote at the House of Representatives next week, it did express concerns that any potential information sharing bills must preserve an individual's right to privacy and civil liberties. In an official statement provided to the Hill newspaper, Caitlin Hayden, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council summed up the administrations concerns.

    While information sharing legislation is an essential component of comprehensive legislation to address critical infrastructure risks, information sharing provisions must include robust safeguards to preserve the privacy and civil liberties of our citizens. Legislation without new authorities to address our nation's critical infrastructure vulnerabilities, or legislation that would sacrifice the privacy of our
    citizens in the name of security, will not meet our nation's urgent needs.
    Members of the public and civil liberties groups are not so impressed though. The Electronic Frontier Foundation launched a week of internet protests this Monday, in what they call a "campaign to fight [the] privacy-invasive bill" and a anti-CISPA web petition currently has over 677,500 signatures towards their target of one million.

    "CISPA would allow ISPs, social networking sites, and anyone else handling Internet communications to monitor users and pass information to the government without any judicial oversight," the foundations director of activism Rainey Reitman stated. "The language of this bill is dangerously vague, so that personal online activity -- from the mundane to the intimate -- could be implicated."

    The EFF, like many other civil rights groups believe that giving companies a method by which to bypass federal laws does nothing to increase safety, it only serves to put people at increased risk.
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    Firefox creators Mozilla attack Congress; denounce CISPA



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    Silicon Valleys Mozilla Corporation has tasked themselves with extinguishing a fire, and no, its not what you have in mind.


    Mozilla, the Mountain View, California-based developers responsible for creating the hugely successful Firefox Web browser, has issued a statement publically condemning the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act, or CISPA. In a memo sent to Forbes data security department on late Tuesday, Mozillas privacy and public policy official explains that its newly-publicized stance is not one that encourages online cyber attacks, but merely establishes that the company is in favor of protecting the rights of its users.


    While we wholeheartedly support a more secure Internet, CISPA has a broad and alarming reach that goes far beyond Internet security, reads the statement. The bill infringes on our privacy, includes vague definitions of cybersecurity, and grants immunities to companies and government that are too broad around information misuse. We hope the Senate takes the time to fully and openly consider these issues with stakeholder input before moving forward with this legislation.


    Mozillas issues with CISPA mirror opposition that was voiced last week on Capitol Hill during debates over the legislation. Rep Jan Schakowsky (D Illinois) said the cybersecurity bill still fails to adequately safeguard the privacy of Americans and that the government needs to be able to combat the serious threat of cyber attacks and still insure that we are protecting our computer systems and the civil liberties of Americans.


    Jared Polis, a Democratic rep for Colorado, issued similar concerns, stating, CISPA represents a massive government overreach in the name of security and that Any America that values his or her privacy should be concerned.


    At this point, however, the US Senate is now the only Washington entity that stands between CISPA and the desk of President Barack Obama. In a hurried vote last Thursday, the US House of Representatives passed the bill in its current form much to the chagrin of lawmakers like Schakowsky and Polis, essentially leaving approval from the other side of Congress the only thing that the bill needs to be brought to the White House.


    Advisers for President Obama have issued a statement on their own part insisting that the administration will recommend that the commander-in-chief vetoes the bill if it is brought to the Oval Office, although critics have already come out to call the move another example of election year pandering. The White House issued a similar statement last year regarding the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012, or the NDAA. Originally the Obama administration said that the president had issues over the bills provisions regarding the indefinite detention of American citizens, although Obama eventually inked his name to the paper on New Years Eve.


    This time around, condemnation is indeed present in regards to CISPAs future, but Mozillas just-released memorandum could be a catalyst in bringing more critics out of the woodwork. Although opponents of CISPA have certainly come out against the bill for weeks now, Mozillas statement is among one of the first released by a major Internet entity. Other Silicon Valley giants such as IBM, Facebook and Microsoft still stand in favor of the bill. In recent days, it was reported that Microsoft switched stances and would formally oppose CISPA. This week, however, Digital Journal reports that a spokesperson for the company now confirms that the official Microsoft stance on CISPA isunchanged, returning Bill Gates billion-dollar corporation to the supportive side of CISPA.


    That isnt to say, of course, that widespread opposition of CISPA is far from rampant. In the recent days since CISPAs passing, critics have continued to speak up against the act. The Electronic Frontier Foundation, presidential hopefulRon Paul and the American Civil Liberties Union have all taken an anti-CISPA stance, as well as the popular web forum Reddit.


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