My HDD died. Need new HDD+SSD that doesn't get shot and die within 1.3 years.

[Sami 1999]

So recently my Hard dikcs started making weird noise. And today my HDD died. My PC started to freeze and I had to hard reset.

Now it tells me to insert boot device. I went into bios and ny HDD isn't detected in the SATA ports (previously it was detected).


Well, its no big deal if its only my HDD that died. But if my SATA ports died, then its a big problem.


I hate Seagate. I bought this pc on April 21 2016. All my old HDDs are still alive and only time I got dead HDD was back in 1999 which lasted 2 months.




Now, I need halp my fellow Bangla Gamer members. I must know which HDD is good. Western digital? Is there better HDDs than 7200 rpm ?

Also, should I install OS on 250GB SSD? Does SSDs survive atleast 6 years if I only instal OS and not games?


I shall require:

2x 2TB HDDS for games (2 because just incase one dies again)

1 250GB SSD for Windows 10 ( so that if it dies, then I will have to buy again).


The longer they survive without performance degradation, the better for me.

Also, what else can be done to not gwt my HDDs killed? Should I add two more fans at front and back?

Should I RMA my GPU and Mobo aswell?

Help is needed badly. Can't play games anymore. Lost all the games aswell. Have to download them again.....


Thanks in advance.

[sensei]

if you have ssd then installing the os on it would be the best , wdd is good but depends which color you are choosing the blue one is always stable and decent but i have my high doubts on the green and red one as those have the highest failure issues atleast what i experienced . toshiba is also good but the best would be grabing a hitachi drive which is so far the best hdd to root for but if you dont get any then try to stick with segate or wdd (black or blue)


about ssds get the nvme samsung 950 which is the best ssd available in bangladesh market right now and it comes with 5 years of warranty afik


the reason your hdd died i highly doubt it has passed it's days or simply because of psu or most probably because of unsafe bootload. do you have ups in your pc ?

[Sami 1999]

if you have ssd then installing the os on it would be the best , wdd is good but depends which color you are choosing the blue one is always stable and decent but i have my high doubts on the green and red one as those have the highest failure issues atleast what i experienced . toshiba is also good but the best would be grabing a hitachi drive which is so far the best hdd to root for but if you dont get any then try to stick with segate or wdd (black or blue)


about ssds get the nvme samsung 950 which is the best ssd available in bangladesh market right now and it comes with 5 years of warranty afik


the reason your hdd died i highly doubt it has passed it's days or simply because of psu or most probably because of unsafe bootload. do you have ups in your pc ?

Thanks, I will try to get Toshiba blue or WDD blue.

Yes I have UPS. I turned Fast boot OFF since my UPS doesnt last long. So I shutdown my PC and then turn off my UPS.

Hmm, PSU can kill HDD?! ¤¤¤¤, does it kill Mobo amd GPU too? I should RMA my PSU too then.


My mobo has PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe Mini-SAS SSD support. Idk what it means but I guess it will do?

[VANGUARD]

i can't believe people still plans to buy WD and Toshiba while Seagate is there.

[sensei]

my psu killed my motherboard and 3 hdd so pretty sure a psu has the power to kill your precious hardwares and would you please mention your motherboard's model? cause cant say anything which supports or not if I don't know exactly what you are using right now but you can always take the casing before buying the product to test it works or not

[Sami 1999]

my psu killed my motherboard and 3 hdd so pretty sure a psu has the power to kill your precious hardwares and would you please mention your motherboard's model? cause cant say anything which supports or not if I don't know exactly what you are using right now but you can always take the casing before buying the product to test it works or not

MSI Z170A Gaming M7. PSU is Corsair CX850M Bronze certified.

[Sami 1999]

@djrock

It was making noise since few months. But I will check everything just to make sure everything s fine.

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But noise gone sexual recently. So I knew it would die. Ut was just a matter of time. ¤¤¤¤ happens.

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Yeah, I will probably get two hdds of 2 tb each and one 250gb ssd. And one usb hdd to backup which should be 500gb.

[VANGUARD]

HDD just don't die ,HDD give warning & Drag for years before it Die .Something Must have gone horribly wrong to kill HDD that way .How is your surge protection security(for house owner & for renter two different type of system) .SSD is good but problem is SSD can die far easily ,like Voltage spike or sudden surge can kill SSD .My motherboard died 3 time in last 5 years ,Ram stick both of them died together but Still my HDD going Strong & I m sure if it was SSD they would have died every time my mobo or ram died .HDD is hard to kill in those scenario .SO my suggestion for bootable drive buy a 128 gb or 60 gb ssd .Samsung evo or pro .Pro isn't available in BD but Pro actually give 10 year warranty .

Hitachi is ofcourse good but Hitachi isn't available anymore ,even if you find any most probably they will be chinese repaired HItachi but Hitachi brand is now called HGST buy those ,some shop might keep them .There are two type of HDD one is build for high stressed environment(Enterprise,low rpm might not be good for gaming) ,other for regular consumer .so if you pay the price you might get those .WD & Seaget are top 2 Worst HDD .Toshiba is average but nothing match with the greatest HGST

I feel instead of Buying one HDD ,Buy two for your Whole Data ,So that if One Die You don't have to lose everything .Also you can keep the most used Part in One HDD & Your Video ,Picture or other precious info on other less used HDD

I could not reach any better conclusion after reading those BOLD lines. @aayman please help him.

[aayman]

I'm not sure where djrock is getting his information from but here goes.

1) I've had an SSD for 7 years now. Back in the US I had huge power issues I would get brown outs (worse than black outs) for hours on end. Every component of my computer is fine. Eventually I bought an UPS with an AVR to further minimize chances of damage. Now in BD I have an UPS which I'm not sure has an AVR, it is working perfectly fine.

The SSD that I had in 2011 is now in my backup computer and is still working fine to this day. It gets regular use because my friend is currently using it. I cannot imagine him having an exceptionally fancy power delivery system either.

Any problems related to write cycles were worked out years ago. I've been thinking about moving to an all-SSD PC, I am that confident in their endurance.

2) HGST, WD and Seagate are all fine choices. The failure rate survey from Backblaze is based on HDDs that retail consumers won't buy. If there was a big failure rate problem, there would be some report on it by now. My WD Black from 7 years ago still works and went through some physical abuse while I in my luggage.

3) Having multiple HDDs is great I guess but if an external event is going to cause a failure, it might as well kill both. HDD failures from natural wear and tear will always happen, all modern HDDs are capable of lasting a decade. Its upto you to check your HDD health (or any other compoenent) when you see your PC locking up randomly.

[SoMoN.Khan]

HDD is most damageable hardware in whole pc system. i agree with aayman, ssd dont die that quick and uncertain like hdd. i m using adata xpg ssd for over 5+ yrs and still doing grt. although i never fill up my ssd more that 40%!!

[Sami 1999]

I'm not sure where djrock is getting his information from but here goes.

1) I've had an SSD for 7 years now. Back in the US I had huge power issues I would get brown outs (worse than black outs) for hours on end. Every component of my computer is fine. Eventually I bought an UPS with an AVR to further minimize chances of damage. Now in BD I have an UPS which I'm not sure has an AVR, it is working perfectly fine.

The SSD that I had in 2011 is now in my backup computer and is still working fine to this day. It gets regular use because my friend is currently using it. I cannot imagine him having an exceptionally fancy power delivery system either.

Any problems related to write cycles were worked out years ago. I've been thinking about moving to an all-SSD PC, I am that confident in their endurance.

2) HGST, WD and Seagate are all fine choices. The failure rate survey from Backblaze is based on HDDs that retail consumers won't buy. If there was a big failure rate problem, there would be some report on it by now. My WD Black from 7 years ago still works and went through some physical abuse while I in my luggage.

3) Having multiple HDDs is great I guess but if an external event is going to cause a failure, it might as well kill both. HDD failures from natural wear and tear will always happen, all modern HDDs are capable of lasting a decade. Its upto you to check your HDD health (or any other compoenent) when you see your PC locking up randomly.

Thanks for the informations.

So this is my plan:

*2x 2TB HDD for games. 7200 RPM is minimum requirement. Anything better would be great too.

*1x NVME SSD of 250 GB solely for O/S and drivers. No games. So the write cycles won't be wasted.

*1 USB HDD for backups. 500GB should be fine.


Question is, how much will they cost? I do t wanna waste too much on these things but if they offer more reliable ones with warranty at higher price (while reasonable price) , I'll be happy to pay for that.


Maybe I should change PSU too. What about coolers? My GPU stays at 85 degrees during gaming. Should I add coolers too?

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HDD is most damageable hardware in whole pc system. i agree with aayman, ssd dont die that quick and uncertain like hdd. i m using adata xpg ssd for over 5+ yrs and still doing grt. although i never fill up my ssd more that 40%!!

Agreed. HDDs tend to die easily.

Having them last atleast 5 years would be great. Does SSD need cooling? I heard ssd dies due to heat. If thats the case, what kind of cooler do I need?

[Swapnil]

Thanks for the informations.

So this is my plan:

*2x 2TB HDD for games. 7200 RPM is minimum requirement. Anything better would be great too.

*1x NVME SSD of 250 GB solely for O/S and drivers. No games. So the write cycles won't be wasted.

*1 USB HDD for backups. 500GB should be fine.


Question is, how much will they cost? I do t wanna waste too much on these things but if they offer more reliable ones with warranty at higher price (while reasonable price) , I'll be happy to pay for that.


Maybe I should change PSU too. What about coolers? My GPU stays at 85 degrees during gaming. Should I add coolers too?

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Agreed. HDDs tend to die easily.

Having them last atleast 5 years would be great. Does SSD need cooling? I heard ssd dies due to heat. If thats the case, what kind of cooler do I need?

Can we see a pic of your case, with and without the side panel attached? You might need to add some more case fans or rearrange them.

[SoMoN.Khan]

Having them last atleast 5 years would be great. Does SSD need cooling? I heard ssd dies due to heat. If thats the case, what kind of cooler do I need?

no need for specific cooling. if u have front in take fan then just place ur ssd thr.

[Sami 1999]

Can we see a pic of your case, with and without the side panel attached? You might need to add some more case fans or rearrange them.

[Swapnil]

Add two fans, high static pressure fans if possible, to front intake. Move the current one in the front to top. Your case needs more forced airflow.

Saying because just adding three case fans reduced my GPU temp by 15° C once.

[FCIP1]

Don't get toshiba, lots of bad stories around I think safer to pay up the .3k premium for WD and get those. No idea about seagate though.

For SSD, samsung one is pretty good.

[Speed]

stay away from seagate. PERIOD.

[aayman]

Don't know about US electrical grid system ,if they have any Fail Safe system built in where it will take most of the Hit on any Surge event but feel if i have 100s of billion dollar budget on a 20 million citizen city then at least i would invest more in safe guarding electric system

There's a reason I wrote brown outs, in BD you generally have only black outs. Transformer explosions and all that, obviously my PC has gone through all of that too but nothing has ever failed because I always have an UPS to absorb the blows. Even my UPSes have never died on me, they wore out their batteries after many years. At no point was I talking about laptops.

The Crucial M4 SSD they mention is also one of my SSDs, still 0 issues. Power failures can affect every component of the PC. If you're going to use that to stop using SSDs then might as well rule out the desktop as a whole and game on a Gameboy.

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Thanks for the informations.

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My setup is 1x 1TB SSD, 1x NVME SSD (this I only got 2 months ago), 1x 1TB HDD,

Don't worry about write cycles, they are only an issue in 3 years if you write TBs worth of data everyday.

Your setup will be pretty expensive, the Samsung 960 EVO alone is 11k and I wouldn't recommend getting the cheaper Intel ones either. NVME SSDs do throttle in heat to protect itself, but with good air circulation it won't be an issue. MSI uses a heat shield and I think its working fine. NVME SSDs heat up in nature and throttling is a part of it, how long it works before throttling is the question.

There was a report by Gamer Nexus showing that it causes more harm, but then computerbase.de did a test and showed there was a problem with GNs methodology because he didn't measure how long the SSD ran before it throttled. The SSD lasted 2-3x longer with the shield than without. In that time it wrote 250+GBs of data, which I am sure I will never be able to do so I won't face any throttling issue.

I probably messed up my sentences, in a bit of a rush, sorry if anything sounds confusing.

[Sami 1999]

@aayman

Wow 11k is expensive indeed. What about good Non NVME SSDs? How much will a 250GB SSD cost then?

I mean, I dont wanna spend over 20k TK. And looks like after buyin coolers and hdds, I wont be able to get NVME SSDs. And add heat throttle with that. Because it seems like my PC does heat up a bit.

How is that 1 TB of yours? Is that durable too? I dont need 1 TB, just 250GB. So I guess that will drop the price to 5000tk?

[aayman]

My regular SSDs have no issues with heat nor do I think they will be a problem in closed systems either. NVME maybe especially if your M2 slot is underneath the GPU.

I'm not sure about exact 250GB prices, it should be 6-8k by now.