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    Default PC Buying Suggestion

    Posting on behalf of a friend:

    Purpose: Mostly gaming at 1080p (1920 x 1080 Res) Maxed out.

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    Mobo Z170-A Pro
    RAM Kingston HyperX FURY Black 8GB kit (2*8)
    GPU Asus Strix ROG 1060 6GB OC / Gigabyte 1060 G1 6GB OC
    HDD WD 2 TB Black/Blue
    SSD Samsung Evo 250 GB
    CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
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    PSU Suggest Please

    Not mentioning budget, as he aims to have a optimized system to play at latest titles at 1080p. If the recommended setup exceeds his current budget, he can wait a month or 2 to get the extra cash needed.

    Question:
    1. Spending extra for K series processor makes sense?
    2. Will it be able to handle 1440p gaming at high settings? In latest titles?
    3. Also GPU, should he go for RX 480 8 GB?

    Feel free to share your opinion and suggestion.

    I dont play games anymore, so I hardly have any clue regarding latest hardware.
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    1060 isn't optimum for 4k gaming but if you can stretch the budget little more then grabbing 1070 would be nice. Plus the market will hit 1080ti soon and price might go down for the rest of the line very soon, you might grab a sweet deal in these time being. As the budget isn't mentioned so it is really tough to suggest a case as i am not sure he wants to go for mid range or full tower case but personally i think master box 5 worth a shot to look over plus cm v550w would be good pair for long run. K series is always a good choice as it is always future proof but it really depends on your friend whether he wants to overclock or not. If he doesn't like or want to oc then there is no point to go for k series

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    Thanks, 1080p is the preference.

    Regarding OC, I actually asked him. He dont have plan to do OC right now for sure. But if he get bottleneck in games due to CPU, thn its a thing he might consider. Question is, 1060 will require the CPU to be Overclocked or not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gogeta View Post
    Thanks, 1080p is the preference.

    Regarding OC, I actually asked him. He dont have plan to do OC right now for sure. But if he get bottleneck in games due to CPU, thn its a thing he might consider. Question is, 1060 will require the CPU to be Overclocked or not.
    If you are gonna game in 1080p then Amd has the Best cheap solution .If your friend don't have gsync monitor then buying a 480 would be good idea & tell him to to buy a cheap free sync monitor with it or he could buy a 144 hz monitor for nvidia line .as monitor can't show more frame than its hz so overclocking in a 1080p 60 hz monitor is a waste .
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    don't buy/suggest anything below a gtx 1070 for future-proofing... prices of 1070s will go down, next year freesync will become useless bcz most cheap monitors have refresh rate range above 40 ... gtx 1060 and rx 480 both can't crunch out constant 60+ fps in modern games at ultra, in some games holding 40 is a challenge even in 1080p resolution ...

    ppl can claim that u don't need gtx 1070 for 1080p but next year those ppl will claim u don't need anything more than a gtx 1160 which will have performance equal to a gtx 1070

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogeta View Post
    Thanks, 1080p is the preference.

    Regarding OC, I actually asked him. He dont have plan to do OC right now for sure. But if he get bottleneck in games due to CPU, thn its a thing he might consider. Question is, 1060 will require the CPU to be Overclocked or not.
    1060 won't require any oc from the cpu atleast right now but Don't know about the future possibilities

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogeta View Post
    Purpose: Mostly gaming at 1080p (1920 x 1080 Res) Maxed out.

    If the recommended setup exceeds his current budget, he can wait a month or 2 to get the extra cash needed.

    2. Will it be able to handle 1440p gaming at high settings? In latest titles?
    Get the GTX 1070 Founder Edition. Currently Leadtek's 1070 priced @ 39K. It doesn't make sense to spend 30K for ASUS GTX 1060.
    *** International market has massive price cut on GTX 1070. $350 for GTX 1070. So tell your friend to wait another 2 months for price drop in BD market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensei View Post
    1060 isn't optimum for 4k gaming but if you can stretch the budget little more then grabbing 1070 would be nice. Plus the market will hit 1080ti soon and price might go down for the rest of the line very soon, you might grab a sweet deal in these time being. As the budget isn't mentioned so it is really tough to suggest a case as i am not sure he wants to go for mid range or full tower case but personally i think master box 5 worth a shot to look over plus cm v550w would be good pair for long run. K series is always a good choice as it is always future proof but it really depends on your friend whether he wants to overclock or not. If he doesn't like or want to oc then there is no point to go for k series
    about the processor and main board, will a i7 7700k be worth the investment? which mainboards should it be compatible with? too many choices around the mother board/ main board and I don't understand the technicalities...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenduMia View Post
    about the processor and main board, will a i7 7700k be worth the investment? which mainboards should it be compatible with? too many choices around the mother board/ main board and I don't understand the technicalities...
    Any z170 or 270 boards have the ability to overclock k series processors but for stable overclocking you should make sure have custom cooler for that, i7 k series is always a good investment as you can see the 2nd gen i7 k series processors are still running programs just fine which means it's a good investment for long run like 6 maximum years or even more

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    instead of wasting money on processor & Board (overclock won't increase much ),He should get a simple core i5 & the Best GPU(His budget Allow) ,yeah for 1440 ,1070 is a must .

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    Quote Originally Posted by djrock View Post
    instead of wasting money on processor & Board (overclock won't increase much ),He should get a simple core i5 & the Best GPU(His budget Allow) ,yeah for 1440 ,1070 is a must .


    nice advice it makes sense how knowledgeable person you are

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    cheaper mobo and non k processor can save u ~11k-14k which you can spend on 1070 coz 1070 in BD is 40k and will go down more i guess, and according to the stats i have seen that config will give u lot more performance(like 30-40%) than this config. but there is always a question of scaling or upgrading, core i5 non k will be bottlenecked heavily, and even i5 k processor will be bottlenecked by 1070

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    Quote Originally Posted by furiousTaher View Post
    cheaper mobo and non k processor can save u ~11k-14k which you can spend on 1070 coz 1070 in BD is 40k and will go down more i guess, and according to the stats i have seen that config will give u lot more performance(like 30-40%) than this config. but there is always a question of scaling or upgrading, core i5 non k will be bottlenecked heavily, and even i5 k processor will be bottlenecked by 1070
    Can you suggest something with this config?Also the cost


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    nothing specific.. just 6500 or kaby lake i5 16k with cheap b150 at 6.2k or some asus b150 with 8.5k, cooler will come with cpu, this saves you 15k-17k i suppose?

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    If I were you, I would go for a Core i7 7700 and a Z170 motherboard.

    Here's why.

    These Kabylake chips tend to run really hot. You'll need to invest in a good cooler even if you end up buying the 7700K. And the 7700K with an AIO liquid cooler runs somewhere around 71 degree Celsius at stock while gaming. It can run even warmer when put under further stress. If you don't wish to overclock the Core i7 7700K, you're still going to go for at least a decent air cooling like the Hyper 212X.

    With the Z170 motherboard, it's possible to run the Core i7 7700 locked chip at 4.2 GHz on all cores instead of the 3.60 GHz base clock. Which alone makes it a great deal. You can do the same with the i7 7700K or even push it further but that'll require you to invest in a really good AIO liquid cooler and you'll likely need to delid it despite that to keep the temperature acceptable.

    If you take the 7700 you're saving up at least around 3K on the processor over the 7700K and around 4K on spending on a hefty AIO Liquid cooling unit.

    And whether you buy the GTX 1060 or the RX 480 is strictly up to you. Both cards are pretty much equal. The 2GB extra VRAM on the RX 480 makes it just a tad more future proof, and specially now that UCC is selling them for 26K.

    And if you opt for an ASRock motherboard, you'll likely find BIOSes that allows you to overclock locked processors as well.

    I am not a 100% certain whether you can lock the multipliers to the maximum boost clock on B150 motherboards, but I believe there are variants that supports this. If you can find such a B150 motherboard, you will be able to save up further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox Mulder View Post
    With the Z170 motherboard, it's possible to run the Core i7 7700 locked chip at 4.2 GHz on all cores instead of the 3.60 GHz base clock.

    And if you opt for an ASRock motherboard, you'll likely find BIOSes that allows you to overclock locked processors as well.
    If it's possible then, this suggestion ^.
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    It's been like this since the Sandy Bridge CPUs.

    In fact, Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge CPUs were capable of overclocking 200 MHz above the rated maximum turbo clocks on all cores, and 400 MHz using Turbo on the first two cores.

    On later CPUs, they disabled the 200 MHz overclock above the rated maximum turbo and you were limited to running the CPUs at the highest Turbo clock on all cores provided that you have it equipped on a motherboard that supports it.

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    Here is my Core i5 3470 which has a base clock of 3.20 GHz and a maximum Turbo of 3.60 GHz running at 3.80 GHz on all cores, with a Turbo Boost up to 4.0, 4.0, 3.9 and 3.8 GHz respectively, on all four cores. At times they all can go up to 4.0 GHz depending upon the load.

    The improvements over the stock Core i5 3470 and with the overclock I have achieved can be found here.
    Last edited by Fox Mulder; March 8th, 2017 at 23:15.

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    there is no point of buying 7700 non k with a z170 mobo instead of choosing a 7700k, people.
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    No, there's a good reason to pair a locked SKU with a Z170 Motherboard.

    You probably don't get it. And I am not surprised. A lot of people doesn't.

    A locked Core i7 7700 CPU has a base clock of 3.60 GHz and has a boost clock of 4.20 GHz.

    On a regular motherboard like the B150, the Core i7 7700. will boost up to 4.20 GHz on one core, and the remaining cores will be somewhere around 3.8~3.9 GHzish depending on thermals and workload.

    A P/Z series motherboard assures you that you can run your locked SKU at it's maximum turbo clock on all cores, thus the locked Core i7 7700 achieving a 4.2 GHz on all cores.

    A i7 7700K will run at 4.2 GHz base clock, and 4.5 GHz turbo. You can set all of the cores to run at 4.5 GHz or higher since it's unlocked. But without delidding such a CPU, even at stock it runs somewhere around 71 Celsius while gaming on an AIO Liquid Cooling, and will run even warmer when stressed with heavier computation. If you don't aim to overclock the 7700K, then all you're getting over the 7700 is an extra 300 MHz Boost (!) clock on a Z170, which requires a heavier cooling solution. You can get away with a 212X with the Core i7 7700.

    This is what Tom's Hardware saw after playing Watch_Dogs 2 for about 30 minutes with a hefty AIO Liquid Cooler.

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    That Core i5 2400 and of yours can be run at 3.60 GHz on all cores on your P67 motherboard.

    In fact, two of the cores will go as high as 3.8 GHz. The 3rd Core will do 3.7 GHz and the 4th will remain at 3.6 GHz.

    The increase of a few 100 MHz may seem trivial at first but it pays off for itself in the long run.

    Which is why you'll see Youtube videos like the Core i5 3570K at 4.0 GHz on all cores matching the gaming performance of a stock RyZen 1700 at 1080p gaming.

    Here is my Cinebench R15 Score:

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    And here is the R1700's Single Threaded Cinebench R15 score at stock:

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    Oops. My Core i5 3470 scores 143 points in Single Thread thanks to the 25% Boost I get from a Z series motherboard which helps me narrowly surpass RyZen 1700's Stock Single Thread performance.

    "LEL."
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    Quote Originally Posted by sensei View Post
    Any z170 or 270 boards have the ability to overclock k series processors but for stable overclocking you should make sure have custom cooler for that, i7 k series is always a good investment as you can see the 2nd gen i7 k series processors are still running programs just fine which means it's a good investment for long run like 6 maximum years or even more
    "MSI Z270 GAMING PRO CARBON DDR4 7th Gen.LGA1151 Socket MainboardProduct Id: 02.033.132
    Tk 18,500
    MSI Z270 GAMING PRO CARBON DDR4 7th Gen.LGA1151 Socket Mainboard"


    &


    "

    MSI Z270 KRAIT GAMING DDR4 7th Gen.LGA 1151 Mainboard

    Product Id: 02.033.137
    Tk 17,700
    Model - MSI Z270 KRAIT GAMING Sockets - LGA 1151 Chipset - Intel Z270 Chipset RAM Type- DDR4 RAM Max-(GB) 64GB"

    As I have said, too many options. :/

    what is the difference between these 2 mainboards? both are Z270, have LGA 1151 Chipset, and DDR4 RAM slots. Why is the price difference, and why should I not go for the cheaper one between these 2? Can anyone please explain?

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