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    If i can buy a platform where Optimized Games will look better than 3 time more costly pc builid up then i will move to that platform .Wichter 3 is downgraded in graphic in pc platform due to consoles .So in future Developers might skip building high Detailed Games for pc as Consoles sales are way above Pc platform & making pc games look better harm the console sales .So maybe Future Gaming will be based on cosoles, even Amd Gpu developer Admits that Consoles are the best platform for gaming as its much easier to optimize games for One Hardware than making games for many other configuration like PC .

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    The thing is, xbox 360/ps3 was a lot more powerful than their pc counter parts when they were released and u need to spend a very good amount of money to build just a equivalent console pc in mid 2000s.

    Now xbox one and ps4 when released were already outperfomred by pc gpus, and will be happening for some time. Just look at xbox one scoripio specs, its more like a rx 480 (scoripio slightly outperforms it) and I don't know about bd market but here in canada and south of the border rx 480 is pretty cheap. Also even though I have both xbox one s and ps4, I would choose my mouse and keyboard any day over those controllers, specially the xbox one controller which I found bulky and awkward compared to my ps4 controller.

    About optimizing, now a days there are lots of games that are being optimized. And if you can wait for a few months(I do so that I can buy games at a lower price until its a big title like Mass effect or say Horizon zero dawn, in those cases i preorder) then you will get a much better optimized game.

    And no, the price won't go down. Eventually 4k will become the common norm(its already becoming in Canada as you can easily get a very good 4k tv only for 400-500 cad when a sale is going on which is around 30k bdt, so damn cheap, I got mine for around 900 which is also great). So nvidia and amd would bring out card capable of running 4k games. So the price will reamain the same for top or middle ranged cards, but you will get better bang for your bucks.

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    No. Not really. Actually 4k capable consoles are good for PC gamers too. Because graphics will be on par not downgraded like atm. Plus it will drive the industry towards 4k content, that is always a good thing.

    And you're woefully ignorant if you're saying future gaming will be console when everyone else is saying the opposite. Overall PC sales are decreasing e.g. pre-built and office PCs but gaming PC/enthusiast market is stronger than ever. It already passed $30 billion mark this year. Another indicator? Just ask about the sheer number of Japanese games being released on Steam. Previously Jap devs could just rely on huge PlayStation playerbase. But now the only Jap games not releasing on PC are some first-party console exclusives.

    And yes, optimising is always easier on console but fact remains that GPU market is faster than ever. Relative performance will increase massively in a console's lifetime. That's why both Sony and MS are planning their consoles to be upgradeable mid-cycle (like upgrading PC parts) or shorter time lifetime for each iteration.
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    So Scorpio Details Released ,As Microsoft declared before that Scorpio will be able to Play 4k games at 60p without even sweating ,only 66% GPU usage at 60 fps Forza horizon 4k .Microsoft Did a New thing First time they designed & Modified the Old CPU for More efficienty for DX 12 .So Scorpio is a Hardware Designed to Play around Dx 12 with the Optimum efficiency

    I m predicting Scorpio will End PC gaming Business .As 4k PC gaming is like a $1400 project ,Even a PC enthusiast like Me might Pickup a console first time as Its Just Better of everything in small package & Considering GPU-CPU all inside One Chip So There is no point of Dead GPU risk,Like Playing 4k with integrated Grraphics .I m saying this is the Future of Gaming ,Not PC .So unless PC parts become Cheap ,Scorpio will KILL PC gaming Hardware sell

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    pc 4k at max settings not equal to console 4k... DF mentioned that the demo MS showed for Forza horizon 3 was a direct xbox one port ... so they r running it at xbox one settings, Xbox scorpio is using jaguar cpus which are weak + less expensive, optimization = lower graphics + full hardware utilization....

    in DF's video Richard said that games for xbox scorpio will focus more on gpu and less on cpu.. so in short Intel's dominance in pc market will remain ... also MS themselves are now focusing more on PC gaming, so PC gaming is only going to flourish ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by djrock View Post
    I m predicting Scorpio will End PC gaming Business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chanchalcxi View Post
    pc 4k at max settings not equal to console 4k... DF mentioned that the demo MS showed for Forza horizon 3 was a direct xbox one port ... so they r running it at xbox one settings, Xbox scorpio is using jaguar cpus which are weak + less expensive, optimization = lower graphics + full hardware utilization....
    You are underestimating what Optimized Games for Single fixed Hardware can do ,Maybe all these High powered CPU ,GPU crap that were fed to PC buyers are not even that important as even Old CPU-GPU have enough Power to Run Optimized 4k without even sweating .

    Look at some difference between Mass effect Andromeda PC vs Console at 4k Almost identical in Most parts & Yeah What Hassle every PC buyers have to go through to Increase that 5% detail .Not worthy of money .considering Integrated GPU will have more lifespan than any physical GPU then this 4k Console system is always a win in every way .
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    Quote Originally Posted by chanchalcxi View Post
    ...Xbox scorpio is using jaguar cpus which are weak + less expensive, optimization = lower graphics + full hardware utilization....in DF's video Richard said that games for xbox scorpio will focus more on gpu and less on cpu.. so in short Intel's dominance in pc market will remain ... also MS themselves are now focusing more on PC gaming, so PC gaming is only going to flourish ...
    You do know that current console ports are so multi-threaded is because of devs optimizing AMD's "WEAK" Jaguar cores, right?

    And Xbox Scorpio and PS4 Pro both are using Jaguar cores, right?

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    @Sybaris Caesar ... u said urself .. for the past 5 years or so consoles are using weak AMD 8 cores hence Intel is still dominating pc gaming segment... even i3's can perform mutithreaded tasks with it's 4 threads... bulldozer was far superior than i3s in spec sheets but in gaming even in multithreaded games they performed equal or worse than new gen i3s

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    PC Market almost died back in 2005 because of Xbox 360.

    So yeah, there's high possibility of PC dying. But can Xbox Scorpio really do 60 FPS? Will it support Keyboard and Mouse? Will it support Xbox, Xbox 360 games directly from the disk? That will determine if it will kill PC market or not.
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    @djrock performance impact of that 5% is pretty substantial, I have performed a series of little tests for u ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sami 1999 View Post
    PC Market almost died back in 2005 because of Xbox 360.

    So yeah, there's high possibility of PC dying. But can Xbox Scorpio really do 60 FPS? Will it support Keyboard and Mouse? Will it support Xbox, Xbox 360 games directly from the disk? That will determine if it will kill PC market or not.
    PC gaming almost died because ATI and Nvidia artificially jacked GPU price aka price fixing. No such incident now. Every year we see 30-40% improvement in GPU. Consoles can't keep up. Look at XB1/PS4 timeline vs X360/PS3 timeline. 3-4 years this gen vs 7-8 years last gen.

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    Not to mention PC gaming is profitable as ever. Japanese devs are also jumping on PC by abundance this time around. Only exclusives are keeping consoles afloat this gen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chanchalcxi View Post
    @djrock performance impact of that 5% is pretty substantial, I have performed a series of little tests for u ...
    Now think about a Platform where all those task can be done within 1 second with really low impact on the hardware,that is called high efficient intelligent rendering,even Raja kaduri(Amd) talked about how efficient/perfect platform console is compare to PC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sybaris Caesar View Post
    PC gaming almost died because ATI and Nvidia artificially jacked GPU price aka price fixing. No such incident now. Every year we see 30-40% improvement in GPU. Consoles can't keep up. Look at XB1/PS4 timeline vs X360/PS3 timeline. 3-4 years this gen vs 7-8 years last gen.

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    Not to mention PC gaming is profitable as ever. Japanese devs are also jumping on PC by abundance this time around. Only exclusives are keeping consoles afloat this gen.
    But this time the Difference is Console is now Far ahead of PC in Availablity/affordability of Ultimate resolution 4k in gaming .Console is now at a moment where it can destroy everything what PC achieved bcz of console's own Laziness ,unless PC hardware radically become cheap & affordable for 4k gaming within a year ,its Game Over for PC

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    wait for review, wait for pricing declaration and etc.

    even if, if scorpio beats pc BIGLY in price perf ratio (current consoles already beat pc in price perf ratio but not very significant margin i would say), pc gaming industry will be very hard to beat, software sales and hardware sales have skyrocketed in last 6 years thanks to mmo/mobas, and maybe inflation? 15 years ago 600$ was difficult to pay even for 1st or 2nd world countrymen, but now a days purchasing a 600$-1000$ is not that hard as before. dont get me wrong its still big money, but inflation changed lots of things. and lets not even mention typical pc arguments like productivity mod support exclusives free online esports blah blah blah i could go on.

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    But this time the Difference is Console is now Far ahead of PC in Availablity/affordability of Ultimate resolution 4k in gaming .Console is now at a moment where it can destroy everything what PC achieved bcz of console's own Laziness ,unless PC hardware radically become cheap & affordable for 4k gaming within a year ,its Game Over for PC

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    Quote Originally Posted by djrock View Post
    But this time the Difference is Console is now Far ahead of PC in Availablity/affordability of Ultimate resolution 4k in gaming .Console is now at a moment where it can destroy everything what PC achieved bcz of console's own Laziness ,unless PC hardware radically become cheap & affordable for 4k gaming within a year ,its Game Over for PC
    Hahaha... let 4k become mainstream first. 1080p only became mainstream like 2-3 years ago. 1440p didn't even catch on and 4k is double of 1080p. The PC display industry is more interested in QoL features like Adaptative-Sync, high refresh rate, HDR etc.

    Even then console 4k is not native. Plus consoles will do what it always does, sacrifice high refresh rate to push visuals. So fake 4k30 of console vs native 4k60+ of PC in the future.

    So no console won't kill PC and vice versa. They'll just find their separate markets.

    Do you even know BIG pc hw market is? And PC player's willingness to pay for niche products? People have full steering wheel + stick shift setup for racing sims like asetto corsa and others, dual flight stick setup for flight sims games like Eve: valkyrie, Elite Dangerous, TrackIR for ArmA etc. Just look at Star Citizen. People paid 170+ million for a game that could never come to consoles.

    And for all its grievances Early Access and Kickstarter has revolutionized game development. You don't need publisher and their skewered outlook of what type of games will sell to push your ideas. Battle Royale genre that derived from the Hunger Games books and movies, Survival genre and MMO/MOBA like @furiousTaher said all spawned from PC.

    And did I mention streaming culture? Do I even need to?

    Fact is, PC is nothing like early 2000s. Too many variables and too many mouths to feed in a rapidly growing industry that would not let it fail. So mobile, console and PC will find nice harmony. Mobile for casual gamers, console for basic and intermediate gaming entertainment and PC for high power gaming that can push visuals, audio, QoL to the max.
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    considering only 1.3% of steam user game at 1440 & 34% at 1080p & rest of them below 1080p so if Console can guarantee 4k gaming at the price of 1080p pc gaming then its a big trouble for PC industry .PC industry wont survive if they lose maybe 90% 1080p user to 4k console gaming .Even For me who Is about to Buy a 1070 or Rx 480 now thinking about moving to scorpio 4k gaming system ,it sound too good for me to ignore ,considering how pc parts get damaged easily ,ram,mobo ,gpu ,psu compare to that one chip(cpu+gpu) console is built like a Tank option .
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    Quote Originally Posted by djrock View Post
    Now think about a Platform where all those task can be done within 1 second with really low impact on the hardware,that is called high efficient intelligent rendering,even Raja kaduri(Amd) talked about how efficient/perfect platform console is compare to PC

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    But this time the Difference is Console is now Far ahead of PC in Availablity/affordability of Ultimate resolution 4k in gaming .Console is now at a moment where it can destroy everything what PC achieved bcz of console's own Laziness ,unless PC hardware radically become cheap & affordable for 4k gaming within a year ,its Game Over for PC


    GTX 970 and 980 can do 4k 30 FPS on medium settings.

    980Ti can actually do 4k 30 FPS at High-Very high settings with minor drops here and there


    So, 4k on PC isn't impossible at budget level. You can get a 4k capable PC at 400-500$.

    Keep in mind, consoles don't do 60 FPS. Consoles don't crank up Anti Aliasing either. Neither does the graphics settings.

    Also many Ps4Pro games are running at 1440/1800p.

    So, yeah, it's not the fact that PCs can't do 4k. It's because everyone maxes everything out in games and can't achieve 30 FPS. 30 FPs is not like 60FPS. Because 60 FPS can be a pain in the ¤¤¤ to achieve, but 30 FPS is possible most of the time.
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    ^wait even you djrock? didnt u ... when u were slayer420, bashed console and cursed them so badly in this forum that aayman banned you like 2 or 3 years ago? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sami 1999 View Post
    GTX 970 and 980 can do 4k 30 FPS on medium settings.

    980Ti can actually do 4k 30 FPS at High-Very high settings with minor drops here and there


    So, 4k on PC isn't impossible at budget level. You can get a 4k capable PC at 400-500$.

    Keep in mind, consoles don't do 60 FPS. Consoles don't crank up Anti Aliasing either. Neither does the graphics settings.

    Also many Ps4Pro games are running at 1440/1800p.

    So, yeah, it's not the fact that PCs can't do 4k. It's because everyone maxes everything out in games and can't achieve 30 FPS. 30 FPs is not like 60FPS. Because 60 FPS can be a pain in the ¤¤¤ to achieve, but 30 FPS is possible most of the time.
    I think Scorpio is Different than Other Generation as Its Will give True 60 fps 4k (As the Global foundry guy watched it play 60 fps Forza horizon with only 66% gpu usage,it even reached 70 fps at times) ,so ofcourse when a game is developed for a single 4k platform then ofcourse developer will optimize it to a level that you can play everything Max on that 4k resolution otherwise whole scorpio project will be another big fail,Maybe not as Perfect as PC 4k but visually it should be 90% same .

    PC 1080p gaming platform won't be able to play 4k that good as PC games are not optimized to play 4k with those low end GPU .So PC is kind of doomed for its limitless potential as there is no point of optimizing PC games for a rx 480 to play at 4k & also as PC gaming market is small so it will not be cost efficient for developer to optimize games for lower end PC gpu

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    Quote Originally Posted by djrock View Post
    considering only 1.3% of steam user game at 1440 & 34% at 1080p & rest of them below 1080p so if Console can guarantee 4k gaming at the price of 1080p pc gaming then its a big trouble for PC industry .PC industry wont survive if they lose maybe 90% 1080p user to 4k console gaming .Even For me who Is about to Buy a 1070 or Rx 480 now thinking about moving to scorpio 4k gaming system ,it sound too good for me to ignore ,considering how pc parts get damaged easily ,ram,mobo ,gpu ,psu compare to that one chip(cpu+gpu) console is built like a Tank option .
    Accha babu thik ase. Ami boli ki, GTX 1070 system na kine PS4 Pro ar 4k tv kino. Taka jomate thako. Erpor Xbox Scorpio release hole PS4 pro beche Xbox Scorpio kino. 4k tv/monitor'r dam to bortomane 1080p tv/monitor er same, tai er cheye valo upgrade path kisu hote pare na. Sathe online jawar jonno MS/Sony tomake bosor e $60 kore dibe, cinematic 30 fps gaming, cinematic aliasing, 16x anistropic filtering jeita xbox scorpio introduce korbe, cinematic motion blur to achhei.

    Amra buro manush, old guards PC gaming er. Amra console er ki jani. Amader jigges kore lav nai. Nije experience koro. Nijer valo-mondovalo nije kore shikho.
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