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    Exclamation Can anybody explain Hardocp benchmarks to me?

    okay, one 1080 gtx benchmark doesnt match another at all... i could consider <5% fps difference but the difference between benches are.... wait for it.... over 30-40% in some games. and yes i checked the resolution and dx versions. i know those sites are using slightly different graphics settings but they shouldnt invoke 30%+ difference in so many games. and most importantly, they have equal processors 6700k at similar clockspeed and very highspeed ssds(some of them dont have super high speed ssd) and high speed rams with slightly different speed. and i think most of them using founder edition.


    here is where i am getting my data from....

    digital foundry utube video...
    other utubers like linus and blah blah....

    guru3d hardocp techpowerup anandtech- these 4 sites i always trusted.. but now after seeing their fps difference i dont know who to trust anymore.

    i would show some examples but the problem is with every game bench so i am not gonna write down the 1440p benches here. but the difference between those sites in some cases is like 30% in 1440p, particularly between g3d and hardocp. hardocp benchmarks are like the minimum benches from other sites. it might be a exaggeration but reality is kinda similar...

    reading the benches i feel like either guru3d is nvidia sponsored, or hardocp is amd sponsored, or i just dont know how to read a benchmark. or maybe who knows... all of the above.



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    Forgot about Nvidia and AMD sponsorships, have you checked the drivers? also Nvidia is using GPU boost 3.0 which specifically states that depending on extra voltage allowed the GPU will clock itself alone near threshold so it could be dependent on environment that it was used

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trave160 View Post
    Forgot about Nvidia and AMD sponsorships, have you checked the drivers? also Nvidia is using GPU boost 3.0 which specifically states that depending on extra voltage allowed the GPU will clock itself alone near threshold so it could be dependent on environment that it was used
    most of them using 368.13.... and about gpuboost...i dont know... i thought pascal doesnt have gpuboost? maybe i am wrong but i dont see them mentioning that? or am i missing something here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by furiousTaher View Post
    most of them using 368.13.... and about gpuboost...i dont know... i thought pascal doesnt have gpuboost? maybe i am wrong but i dont see them mentioning that? or am i missing something here?
    It was shown during the reveal in Nvidia's panel

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    Quote Originally Posted by furiousTaher View Post
    most of them using 368.13.... and about gpuboost...i dont know... i thought pascal doesnt have gpuboost? maybe i am wrong but i dont see them mentioning that? or am i missing something here?
    Pascal does have GPUBoost 3.0, and it is somewhat amazing and a bit boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trave160 View Post
    It was shown during the reveal in Nvidia's panel
    ok so i missed something. but still.... every 1080card has gpu boost clock of 1733mhz, am i right? or do some of the reviewers got 1.9k gpu boostclock without manually overclocking or something? explain this to me.

    does gpu boost allow ur card to run much more higher speed than 1730mhz? consider that u didnt manually do any oc or voltage tweak
    if the answer is yes then why i didnt see them mentioning this in the review, or i missed lot of things in those articles?

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    tagging experts @Fox Mulder @aayman @Ehsas

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    hardocp rotr showing 980Ti lot better than 1080gtx in 1440p xD

    my expression after seeing charts...

    guru3d- omg... nvidia is amazing.. what a performance leap

    utube reviewers- nv is great

    different review sites like techspot- okay... good (y)

    hardocp- oh my god... nvidia screw u, u piece of shEEt... u created a gpu which gives less performance than a 980Ti? #@%@#
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    There's even more drama to this launch.

    http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/...er_launch_ever

    I'm surprised more reviewers are not calling out the 67C and 2.1Ghz clocks at the presentation.

    I'm not sure why H's performance is so much lower, but I don't doubt G3D's performance numbers.

    H's review mentions that the fan never goes above 55% at 84C, and that directly affects boost clock. On top of that, I highly doubt the auditorium was at room temperature, that could easily cause the GPU to run at 67C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aayman View Post
    There's even more drama to this launch.

    http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/...er_launch_ever

    I'm surprised more reviewers are not calling out the 67C and 2.1Ghz clocks at the presentation.
    either the other reviewers, like me, dont know what they are doing with benchmarking tools and they should not do review, or they are all paid out.
    Quote Originally Posted by aayman View Post

    I'm not sure why H's performance is so much lower, but I don't doubt G3D's performance numbers.
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    is it possible that other reviewers tweak the fan curve and got good performance and hardo faced thermal throttling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by furiousTaher View Post
    is it possible that other reviewers tweak the fan curve and got good performance and hardo faced thermal throttling?
    I don't think so, because G3D always does the normal benches for an out-of-the-box experience. Any time of changes are always mentioned. Both sites have similar temperatures, but G3D says that 82C is the maximum they had and that was in the FireStrike stress test. For gaming, it was around 70C.

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    As suspected, the 2.1ghz was not with default fan speeds.

    http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/...ocking_preview

    62C with 100% fan speed and ~2080Mhz clock.

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    ok if g3d is believable... then why are they showing 20% more fps than most other reviewers like techpowerup techspot digitalfoundry etc... i mean... hardocp is showing 20-30% less fps than most reviewers and g3d is showing 20% more... and difference between hardo and g3d is like 45%+

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    Quote Originally Posted by furiousTaher View Post
    ok if g3d is believable... then why are they showing 20% more fps than most other reviewers like techpowerup techspot digitalfoundry etc... i mean... hardocp is showing 20-30% less fps than most reviewers and g3d is showing 20% more... and difference between hardo and g3d is like 45%+
    Maybe hardocp's sample is a re-branded more efficent 980Ti, less TDP, more Clockspeed ...

    Joking aside, the raw performance of 1080 in DX11 would have matched the 980Ti if they had the same Clockspeed. Have you seen GamersNexus' watercooling the 1080? He had to downclock the memory speed for obtaining anything over 2.16GHz (it failed though).

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Burke (GamersNexus)
    It still feels like there's more room in this chip, but the VRM is fairly weak and the power limitation eventually throttles us. Overvoltage seems to get stuck around 1.0610V, though we did manage to spike it to ~1.08V a few times. We're not sure if this is just Pascal, if it's a software issue, or if it's the Founders Edition card limiting itself in VBIOS.
    ALL HAIL "FOUNDERS" EDITION...premium build quality with solid components (link)...

    I am babbling here, but after watching "The Premium Build Quality", I cannot hold myself...watch the video if you want to see screw-heads getting torn apart while reassembling the backplate...
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    They confirmed it on day one that the FE is nothing special and more like an early bird premium. The components are nothing special.

    AIB offers will be interesting, I hope it won't cross FE pricing because their MSRP is from the non-FE version and most people will easily pay upto $100 more for better components.

    @taher , I can only guess that the difference is because of the segment of the game they bench. I think out of all the benches, only Ashes has the benchmark tool but G3D's setting differs from techspot (High vs Extreme) and TPU doesn't have it in their suite.

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    well gta 5 and the division and probably some other gmaes in that catalog also has benchmark tools. but the framerate differs from sites to sites... 10% to 40%. hardocp is the lowest, showing 980Ti better than 1080, then anandtech, showing many games 1080 gives barely 30-35 fps in 4k where other sites showing 55fps in 4k. and guru3d is the highest, showing 20% more performance than any other sites. they probably took the max fps and claiming its average.

    oh man lots of fish, so fishy business. u know what.... i am gonna take only this benchmark seriously and disregard other benches for now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZrGImpdxy0

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    i want to open a thread about this in a big forum, where should i ask the question? reddit pcmr or overlockers.net forum?

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    i think i got it now.... this is the truth about 1080= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myDYnofz_JE

    still some unsolved question though

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    i think i got it now.... this is the truth about 1080= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myDYnofz_JE
    Thanks for sharing...that's one of the best video analysis I have ever heard about hardware...and that accent though ...But, I think more reviews of 3rd party cards will clear up the confusion about the true performance of 1080.

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    Guru3D is for the most part, is not sponsored, but still the graphs look off. almost all the new videos coming from various channels have it at only 20-25% avg fps above the 980Ti now. (with gpu boost, no big overclocking). didn't receive the card yet, so can't say for sure, we'll get the asus strix edition a week or so for testing and assembly once it's out and can see then, but till that no clue. and no the founders edition isn't really anything special, they just don't want to compete with their partners, just a premium for early adopters.
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    gamernexus e 1070 is slower than 980gtx. wow

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    gamernexus finding 1070 slower than 980 gtx is probably very crazy, but maybe not only the crazy thing.

    for example: tpu has been criticized for benchmarking old titles in 2016, (almost) all of them dx11.
    but what makes me angry is that... https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/..._GTX_1080_SLI/ they benched 1080 sli. okay. they benched 1080 strix sli instread of F.E sli. alright. Then in that article they didn't explicitly mention the clockspeed-base and boost clock of a 1080 strix card. what the hell is wrong with renowned reviewers this year. if you benchmark a card you have to explicitly mention- hey this 1080 furious edition is running at 1Ghz base and 10 ghz boost clock, enjoy!

    this is just getting more and more ridiculous. things going out of hands, if we continue this path somebody will initiate hardwaregate like gamergate or something

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