More "PS4.5" rumors

[UzuShin]

Remember awhile back there were rumors of Sony creating a ps4 with higher specs?

Well here's more: http://kotaku.com/sources-sony-is-wo...4-5-1765723053

This is an article in kotaku so hard to trust :v..

But still, the article claims that sony wants to make a 4k gaming capable ps4.

Is that even possible with minor tweaks? they'll need to use a completely different CPU+GPU right?

If so what would their PC equivalents be?

Would a 390x equivalent be able to run games at 4k 30ish fps?Taking into account the Consoles optimizations of course

If that's the case what would the price tag be? could sony sell it at a loss and sell it for 600$? It'd be a huge gamble though since the console dudes will be pissed and won't buy it :3

[aayman]

It doesn't make sense for them to sell it at a loss because 4K TVs are not mainstream. But this does give them a reason to charge a hefty premium because current owners might want one.

If it has no difference in performance, then no point for current users to "upgrade".

[furiousTaher]

if they want 4k ultra 60fps gaming they are gonna need to set price at ~900$ at least... even after subsidizing. but for 30fps normal 4k... (or even fake 4k coz their current device gives fake 1080p normal at 30 fps :v ) its possible for them to sell it at ~550$ after subsidizing... but the question is do they even want to subsidize coz neither microsoft or sony subsidized their devices much on launch on november 2013

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though i think its a bad idea for console... but from their perspective... they need to sell vr... vr will be mainstream within 2 years and they need a better device

[Sybaris Caesar]

This seems more likely cause who would've thought they'd want to tap VR market with their obsolete hardware? And ignoring Kotaku's story isn't plausible. With a lack of content to publish they've been leaking info for the last few years that's mostly been true in the end.

[Cynical]

I am no tech expert but doesn't 4K gaming require really high end hardware specification? I mean specification-wise Sony needs to upgrade PS4 with much high-end hardware than what the current generation PS4 models offer. If this is the case then I think the 'new PS4 or PS4.5' will actually become a newer generation PlayStation console instead of simple hardware modification of current generation PS4. I think it will be at most an upgrade of standard PS4 with 4K Blu-ray playback support. Perhaps Sony is really working on 4K gaming console with VR and stuff but they might not release it within at least next 4 or 5 years. However Sony targeting VR gaming means sooner or later they will have to release another console which must be superior than the current generation.

[Sybaris Caesar]

I am no tech expert but doesn't 4K gaming require really high end hardware specification? I mean specification-wise Sony needs to upgrade PS4 with much high-end hardware than what the current generation PS4 models offer. If this is the case then I think the 'new PS4 or PS4.5' will actually become a newer generation PlayStation console instead of simple hardware modification of current generation PS4. I think it will be at most an upgrade of standard PS4 with 4K Blu-ray playback support. Perhaps Sony is really working on 4K gaming console with VR and stuff but they might not release it within at least next 4 or 5 years. However Sony targeting VR gaming means sooner or later they will have to release another console which must be superior than the current generation.

As much as I loath console, this development will mean VR won't be a niche PC technology like 3D gaming and gain more widespread industry support.

[furiousTaher]

I am no tech expert but doesn't 4K gaming require really high end hardware specification? I mean specification-wise Sony needs to upgrade PS4 with much high-end hardware than what the current generation PS4 models offer. If this is the case then I think the 'new PS4 or PS4.5' will actually become a newer generation PlayStation console instead of simple hardware modification of current generation PS4....

when the rumor was first published in mid 2015 it stated that sony actually wants to release 4k video supported ps4.5... but now the rumor has changed.


i blv its possible for amd/sony to create and sell 4k gaming ps4.5 without having to changing the architecture much (that means fully backward compatible), coz long time ago console manufacturers did release full/partial backward compatible consoles without having to sacrifice performance... long time ago though.

[Trave160]

This guy pretty much says it, he's an ex-IBM employee turned YouTuber and pretty much listened to 70% of the stuff he said, most of the time he's right. They're breaking the mainstream dynamic of consoles

Also the PS VR requires a max 60FPS performance to match up on 60Hz refresh rate for VR games. That's absurd since we're talking about achieving that on the console this impotent

[Sybaris Caesar]

This guy pretty much says it, he's an ex-IBM employee turned YouTuber and pretty much listened to 70% of the stuff he said, most of the time he's right. They're breaking the mainstream dynamic of consoles

Also the PS VR requires a max 60FPS performance to match up on 60Hz refresh rate for VR games. That's absurd since we're talking about achieving that on the console this impotent

Actually VR needs AT LEAST 90hz and PSVR is advertised as 120hz whereas both Oculus and Vive are 90hz.

[UzuShin]

From what I gather from you guys is that this is much more then just a rumor.

But why call it the PS4.5 though? The new hardware sony will need to use will be drastically more powerful then the current PS4 hardware. It'll be nothing like the current PS4. Why not wait a year and a half and just release the PS5? 14nm chips will be mainstream then, and they might even be able to use HBM. Allowing for a smaller form factor, better perf/watt and lower heat and stuff.

plus like @Trave160 vid says console gamers would be less pissed if it's an entirely new system

[furiousTaher]

From what I gather from you guys is that this is much more then just a rumor.

But why call it the PS4.5 though? The new hardware sony will need to use will be drastically more powerful then the current PS4 hardware. It'll be nothing like the current PS4. Why not wait a year and a half and just release the PS5? 14nm chips will be mainstream then, and they might even be able to use HBM. Allowing for a smaller form factor, better perf/watt and lower heat and stuff.

plus like @Trave160 vid says console gamers would be less pissed if it's an entirely new system

well... i think they will call it ps4 alpha/prime/gold/.5 or whatever... they probably wont call it ps5 coz that means its a separate system and game development is different, but i dont think they are gonna create a separate system for many reasons... they will try to sell 2 systems at the same time... ps4 normal for casual gamers and ps4 furious edition for vr/ and 4k/ or 1080p 60fps etc...

[UzuShin]

well... i think they will call it ps4 alpha/prime/gold/.5 or whatever... they probably wont call it ps5 coz that means its a separate system and game development is different, but i dont think they are gonna create a separate system for many reasons... they will try to sell 2 systems at the same time... ps4 normal for casual gamers and ps4 furious edition for vr/ and 4k/ or 1080p 60fps etc...

Why not just a 100% backwards compatible PS5? Nintrndo consoles are always backwards compatible so it can be done.

Something half assed like "4.5" will really piss of console gamers.

Would sony really benefit from selling two separate versions of the same console at a time? I mean would sony be able to cover the development+production costs of an entirely new system if they just target the enthusiasts?

Sony makes money by taking a cut of the profit from games sold on their platform. So they won't be able to make much profit of games specifically designed for the new ps4 unless more people buy it.

So it'd naturally be a better choice to market it for the general audience.

[Sybaris Caesar]

Why not just a 100% backwards compatible PS5? Nintrndo consoles are always backwards compatible so it can be done.

Something half assed like "4.5" will really piss of console gamers.

Would sony really benefit from selling two separate versions of the same console at a time? I mean would sony be able to cover the development+production costs of an entirely new system if they just target the enthusiasts?

Sony makes money by taking a cut of the profit from games sold on their platform. So they won't be able to make much profit of games specifically designed for the new ps4 unless more people buy it.

So it'd naturally be a better choice to market it for the general audience.

Uhh... Wot you talking about? Sony has a history of refreshing a generational console. E.g. PS3/PS2 slim versions and recently PS Vita I think while still the original "fat" versions were available. And though realistically speaking this screws with the customer and screws up the pipeline of games yet to release, it seems better alternative to say releasing entirely new generation of console. And also if they intend to stick with AMD hardware it will be cheaper to use 16/14nm rather than using 28nm which will become a dinosaur. The news also coincides with Phil Spencer recently saying they want to make Xbox a platform rather than a generational refresh cycle aka they want to make the Xbox a PC.

[UzuShin]

Uhh... Wot you talking about? Sony has a history of refreshing a generational console. E.g. PS3/PS2 slim versions and recently PS Vita I think while still the original "fat" versions were available. And though realistically speaking this screws with the customer and screws up the pipeline of games yet to release, it seems better alternative to say releasing entirely new generation of console. And also if they intend to stick with AMD hardware it will be cheaper to use 16/14nm rather than using 28nm which will become a dinosaur. The news also coincides with Phil Spencer recently saying they want to make Xbox a platform rather than a generational refresh cycle aka they want to make the Xbox a PC.

Slim consoles are the same thing with a smaller form factor. They have no CPU/GPU upgrades. Slim versions actually have less features than slim versions. Like the Phat ps2 supported internal harddrives(You could even run linux on it) and the Phat Ps3 was backwards compatible with ps2 games. These features were removed with slimer versions. But in this case the console will actually get a hardware upgrade. $ony/Mirco$ft never did anything like this before.

[furiousTaher]

Uhh... Wot you talking about? Sony has a history of refreshing a generational console. E.g. PS3/PS2 slim versions and recently PS Vita I think while still the original "fat" versions were available. And though realistically speaking this screws with the customer and screws up the pipeline of games yet to release, it seems better alternative to say releasing entirely new generation of console. And also if they intend to stick with AMD hardware it will be cheaper to use 16/14nm rather than using 28nm which will become a dinosaur. The news also coincides with Phil Spencer recently saying they want to make Xbox a platform rather than a generational refresh cycle aka they want to make the Xbox a PC.

no company has done this before... they never marketed 2 consoles at the same time before (i mean 3ds and wii are different so that doesnt count- one handheld other motion sensor). so this is completely new.

ps3 fat was b/w compat and slim was not... and more power efficient blah blah blah.... xbox 360 fat was RRD edition xbox so they had to ditch it and produce slim etc etc... with more hdd space


about phil... ya he said that but he said that about next xbox... it will be like an alienware lappy where you can upgrade alienware gpu ... but it won't be released near distant future... or thats what he meant....

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previously i said the notion of producing both ps4 and ps4 remastered (they remastered so many games now they remaster their device ) is bad but now i think i have to reconsider, while it will be bad for devs and consumers it might turn out to be good for sony, coz although people are not gonna buy many 4k display in 2016 or even 17, people are gonna ride VR bandwagon very soon, it may cause headache but for some gamers its quite enjoyable. don't forget motion sensor gaming is almost dead... devs said they are gonna focus fully on VR and ditch non-VR motion sensor forever etc etc. (kinect) .

instead of letting pc gaming hardware market get more ahead of themselves they looked at their projection and said 'we cant let em getting another 5 billion dollars without any proper competition' and decided they need to build a better device to get some of the VR hardware market. because let's not kid ourselves VR is calculation heavy tech and they are gonna need a better device.

although it's still surprising coz they can sell 100M ps4 before 2020, it's not like they had bad sale number like wii u.
at the same time, sony is really in deep trouble since global recession so they are gonna have to make money from everywhere. btw which company releases flagship android phones every 5 months? i have no clue