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    Default Pirate Group 3DM Claims They Won’t Crack Any Single-Player Games For A Year


    The pirate group 3DM has gone on record saying that they are putting their cracking efforts on hold for an entire year, which they revealed to TorrentFreak recently.
    Apparently, they will stop cracking games to see what kind of impact it will have on the gaming market. If sales grow they’ll assume that their efforts have had a bad impact on the industry, and if they don’t then they’ll continue doing what they’re doing, supposedly.
    This has all come to a head when a new anti-tamper technology called Denuvo had been placed in recent AAA games like Just Cause 3 that was giving cracking groups like 3DM a seriously tough time getting through. They even went as far as to say that in a couple years it will be impossible to crack these kinds of games.
    It’s hard to imagine that 3DM holding off on cracking games will have much of an impact on the gaming market, as there are plenty of others out there that will continue to crack games. However, if new technologies like Denuvo prove to negatively-impact game performances as has been speculated upon then a definitive solution to piracy could still be a ways off.

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    they can't crack any multiplayer game anyway (without some rare exceptions, even when they do they dont appear that stable). so this is a big news for majority of BD gamers,or should i say sad news, coz 90% of mainstream gamers (mobile gamers are not mainstream) in BD mainly use desktop pc to gmae and i think more than 90% of them pirateer. although there are still others fighting against denuvo but 3dm is the lead cracker team right now.
    i won't lie i am sad too, coz steam still doesnt have region in BD. no 2.0k rupee(2.5k taka) brand new games. its high time we somehow pushed lord gaben about that.

    president @VANGUARD you worked for both gigabyte bangladesh and ucc, can you join valve or at least somehow pursuade gaben to do that? i am not joking

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    to the bright side- at least now publishers will understand in long run pirating has very little effect on game sales...

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    PS: at least somebody give us an idea how to get gaben/valve's attention so we can have a region.
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    Yeah its kinda sad that steam doesn't have anything in Bangladesh, and you people have to go through third party retailers to buy steam games. I don't know why steam is not implementing a bangladesh based store, right here in canada all of our steam games are displayed in Canadian dollars and we can use local debit to buy easily as steam has a canadian based store.

    This is kinda unfair as steam games now a days are really cheap when a sales hit, and if you can wait a bit, u can get the game at the same price you would pay it next or any dvd company for pirated discs. For example, tomb raider is 6.24 canadian dollar so its 360 taka in bd, which is a deal.

    BTW can't u guys use G2a, i have been using g2a for a long time and their service is really good. Although u won't be able to do steam refund if you buy via g2a.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shafi View Post
    BTW can't u guys use G2a, i have been using g2a for a long time and their service is really good. Although u won't be able to do steam refund if you buy via g2a.
    yah g2a is the only silver lining. older games are uber cheap on g2a... 1 to 9 dollars only. 1 to 1.5 year old AAA titles at 10-18$.
    but other than that....
    i believe if we fail to get gaben's attention... many pc gamers of BD will switch to ps4 in 2016. i can't really blame them, coz their device is uber cheap- like 27k, then they have to buy expensive games, but at least they can trade it with good value after finishing the game within first two weeks.

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    Well as a first you could try giving an estimate of how many users in BD have steam and buy from it. problem is MANY have their region set to someplace else like US, UK, Australia, Canada, Singapore etc where they have some relatives who send them stuff. no joke my cousins do it too and send them money through that way. and i know plenty of others as well. also many people acquire games via steam gift here. as in you pay the guy in cash and he gets it from somewhere else and sends it to you as a steam gift. so again that sale does not count as in the BD region. So basically Valve will see that the user base here in BD buying from steam is very small. mostly due to the reasons i stated above. The only way they would do it is if our region starts registering a lot more sales than they presently do. Now since that isn't likely the happen, the prospects are grim unless ofcourse someone manages to get a hold of someone working in valve and explain to them. one thing we could do that likely won't change much but would still be useful is start a petition for 100,000 sigs and try to get valve's attention that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehsas View Post
    Well as a first you could try giving an estimate of how many users in BD have steam and buy from it. problem is MANY have their region set to someplace else like US, UK, Australia, Canada, Singapore etc where they have some relatives who send them stuff. no joke my cousins do it too and send them money through that way. and i know plenty of others as well.
    you can do that with single player focused games like witcher or metal gear or AC but how would you do that with multiplayer games?


    Quote Originally Posted by Ehsas View Post
    also many people acquire games via steam gift here. as in you pay the guy in cash and he gets it from somewhere else and sends it to you as a steam gift. so again that sale does not count as in the BD region. So basically Valve will see that the user base here in BD buying from steam is very small. mostly due to the reasons i stated above. The only way they would do it is if our region starts registering a lot more sales than they presently do.
    thats true... good point mentioned. and also many purchases is from g2a or other retailer cd keys so they count as usa purchase.

    though if valve wants they can easily trace ip address to see that many bangladeshi players have lot of games in their accounts.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ehsas View Post
    Now since that isn't likely the happen, the prospects are grim unless ofcourse someone manages to get a hold of someone working in valve and explain to them. one thing we could do that likely won't change much but would still be useful is start a petition for 100,000 sigs and try to get valve's attention that way.
    ya good point. in addition to petition we have to mention player number increase in last 5-6 years to them. in 2010 there were less than 50 original pc gamers on steam from bd, now there are like at least 3000 (who buys steam games regularly). also many others who have some steam games in their account but doesnt buy regularly. and that's excluding the thousands of free to play dota players (or tf2 neverwinter etc.) in BD. PS: these statistics are based on my observation

    we also have to mention another point to lord gaben. gabe newell said that "its not about money, its about availability" when he was talking about russia. he said that everybody said russians gonna pirate but once he served them russians became his largest conquest( ) in europe. but we have to mention him the other part too, gaben also sells uber cheap games to russians. that also helped the expansion of his 'empire'. only availability could not help him. also in india steam market expanded a lot... thats also because of price (not 'only because of' but its one of the key factor).


    PS: now i know a guy who will come here and say "bangladesh doesnt deserve low prices because the market is small and won't expand even if prices get lower", or "there is no reason for steam to look at bangladesh". and that guy isnt even a console fan. i will be furious if he starts -_-

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    start a petition for 100,000 sigs
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    bro do you not sleep? lol anyways firstly i don't exactly know which is why i was asking but i assume they can see which IP it's from and maybe trace it? and besides the single player games also sell a lot, and the people that legally purchase single player games probably do their online purchases as well so we could count them in.

    and second, i believe it's a LOT more than 3k people i mean i know there's more than that playing CS alone. for just 3k it'd be no point though but i do think it's close to 10k or something around that. and yes the market is obviously growing the economy is as well and so people are more likely to pirate less if they have the money and they have an incentive to do so. we could also sort of cheat and get bengalis and half bengalis that live abroad to also pretend to be to help reach that sig count since 100k sigs won't exactly come easy even if we spread it all across fb and twitter.

    All we need to do is somehow prove we have the size or potential size of the current smallest special market region they have. like malaysia or thailand.(they both have steam locked games and the prices there are as cheap as it is in russia or india) all we need to do is basically get either into the SE asia region pricing to have the same pricing that Thailand, Phillipines, Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia have or convince valve to expand India's market and let us enter the SA asia region pricing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehsas View Post
    and second, i believe it's a LOT more than 3k people i mean i know there's more than that playing CS alone. for just 3k it'd be no point though but i do think it's close to 10k or something around that. and yes the market is obviously growing the economy is as well and so people are more likely to pirate less if they have the money and they have an incentive to do so.
    hmm... i meant 3k people who buys steam games quite regularly... like 2 games per month or more. but if you count players who plays regularly and trade stuff but doesnt buy games that much then the number is 15k or something.

    and its not about the number we have now. not at all. our main focus will be our jonoshonkha(or the part that have good internet), not the number we have in steam right now. in BD there are at least 20M people who can have 'good' and 'not very expensive' internet if they wanted to/afforded.

    oh btw... we have to try to show the information about internet availability too. we have to show the expansion of internet availability since 2011 in BD, in last 4 to 5 years internet price got radically cheaper and area of avail got radically bigger.


    also... i know u guys will be furious but we can somehow trick into showing the number of COC players in BD. we have to spread the propaganda- "we have all these COCers , soon they might start coming to mainstream gaming/ or we have to persuade them to mainstream and prices will help us blah blah propaganda stuff. +other mobile gamers/candy crush frush mush


    we have to mention number of console gamers... there is a kinda big ps4 community and many of them will come to pc eventually... although majority of them probably won't come at all... coz they have game trades and cheaper devices.


    important: we have to gather data from pc hardware market.... there is a very big ever expanding pc gaming hardware market in BD. with the help of president vanguard and some others we might be able to get the data to persuade gaben.
    the number of people in BD who owns gtx 660 or hd7790 or BETTER card is i think ... more than 30k

    Quote Originally Posted by Ehsas View Post
    we could also sort of cheat and get bengalis and half bengalis that live abroad to also pretend to be to help reach that sig count since 100k sigs won't exactly come easy even if we spread it all across fb and twitter.

    *170M

    dude. you underestimated our only power- the power of JONOSHONKHAAAAA.

    50k sign can be gained without cheating, but it will need lotta propaganda. people have to know about that.
    above 50k i dont know... but i believe in the power of JONOSHONKHAA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ehsas View Post
    All we need to do is somehow prove we have the size or potential size of the current smallest special market region they have. like malaysia or thailand.(they both have steam locked games and the prices there are as cheap as it is in russia or india) all we need to do is basically get either into the SE asia region pricing to have the same pricing that Thailand, Phillipines, Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia have or convince valve to expand India's market and let us enter the SA asia region pricing.
    about SA region or SEA region- i can't comment now. prices are cheaper in india than SEA, but i cant comment about the socio economic stuff... india did ban several games/movies in recent years. our origin region is already indian region... and india has banned da:i. so i cant comment about greater indian region(like origin) where indian govt fix the terms VS SA region where .... i dont know who will dictate terms VS SEA region.... btw who dictate terms in those qualitions? who gets to say this game should be banned coz this game has this and this.

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    The Population part would not matter maybe AS MUCH unfortunately since Nigeria and Pakistan both have larger populations than us yet they do not get any special regional pricing. however every other country with similar population sizes do have it. so lets just hope they think we have better prospects than nigeria and pakistan lol.

    and SEA region the prices with the indian one is the same india's one isn't lower (atleast with malaysia's one) and nope their games haven't gotten banned there was an attempt to ban that game from rockstar forgot the name (NOT GTA) but they didn't end up doing it. but think we'll probably get india's one if it does happen..well it's much better than nothing lol. i think pakistan dosen't have a region since dubai region's price is high and i don't think india wants to share a region with them anyways so hopefully it's different in our case.

    The part which might help a lot is if we get semi accurate data of people with gpu's and basically for the retailers to confirm their sales numbers. although again there will be some misses here as well as many buy from abroad. but the local sales figures/estimates would still help. As that would prove that people here do play games and will most probably purchase legally if the option was available.

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    so here are the things i want to mention, again-

    mission: steam low price region + better bdix content server.


    who ever does the petition he/she/they have to do it in multiple parts. ... only petition will have big chance of failure.

    1) gathering information

    we need lot of information first. we need to know

    i) the number of pc gamers (categorize by region/hardware config/regularity etc.)

    ii) number of steam gamers and number of legit buyers (categorize by region/hardware config/regularity/amount of money spent on game purchasing/item trading on steam etc.)
    -there lot of mmorpg and LOL etc. players in BD who are not that active on steam

    iii) number of console gamers and mobile gamers. (categorize by region/hardware config/regularity/amount of money spent/money spent on free to play mobile games/number of games trading etc.)

    iv) pc hardware and pc gaming hardware sales statistics monthly

    v) esports scenario
    - the organisers/ sponsors/ participants etc... do they get their money back?

    vi) socio-economic structure- or should i say gamio-economic structure... not only of BD but also of india,SEA and russia... where steam has spread. for example: how indian high pc hardware price and low steam games and low console prices affected their situation etc.




    2) persuading key bangladeshi people to the cause

    ... remember- we have a big pc hardware market. + esports tournament with 4000 $ prize money and stuff.

    key people- i dont know if i should.. but i am gonna mention key names here...

    i) organizers and sponsors from different esports tournaments... including former wcg sponsors.

    we have to persuade them to believe that the more people buys legit games the more the esports scenario grows.

    ii) esports players... mostly dota2 and cs go.. including wasi bhai. we gotta persuade them to believe how much this gonna help esports scenario.

    iii) hardware sellers including vanguard, chr satiator etc to know their hardware sales information, and propagandafy them how this gonna help them in long run.


    3) propaganda to prepare common BD players for petition.
    showing the prices of console games vs pc games... also other pc master race propaganda stuff... also introducing them to dota/steam item trading and esports and stuff... and of course the power of steam sales :v


    4) propaganda to get attention of gaben and persuade him....using steam forums/petition and utube etc.

    i think the petition should have a good persuasive youtube video that shows different BD esports players+organizers+ maybe some casual players speaking how much this gonna help BD esports and stuff....


    Topics might excite lord gaben

    i) population- gamers. not only the number of steam gamers right now, but also number of pc gamers aka. potential steam users etc. also showing number of console and mobile gamers and the money they spend on f2p titles etc. The gaming population growth is more important than the current number.

    ii) internet- internet availability, prices, growth rate etc. we have to establish the propaganda that every person who can access good internet is a potential steam customer.

    iii) economy/price- economical growth of BD / history etc. we have to show the steam user number increase in last 5 years while they were selling 60$ priced games though bangladesh is a 3rd world or semi-3rd world country and the 60$ is american/eu standard. so what happens when they sell games cheaper and also BD economy further develops?

    iv) esports- amount of esports prize money in BD, number of people participating. also the number of item trader on steam from BD. the amount of money they are earning/giving to steam etc.

    v) hardware market- though i am not totally sure how its gonna excite gaben... maybe he will want to sell steam machines and stuff here.
    Last edited by furiousTaher; February 10th, 2016 at 08:33.

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    Valve will pay nothing for that 'bdix content server,' i.e: you need to find a sponsoring ISP.

    Good luck with that when the ISP really has nothing to gain from doing it (that akamai peering already isn't doing for them)

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    There're Bangali methods of defeating DRMs. Lets say Rise Of The Tomb Raider's not crackable, due to Denuvo. You can always manipulate Steam. People are already doing it.

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