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    Default Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    One of the easiest heroes to kill in the early game, and one of the most dangerous (if played the right way) heroes late in the game.

    Now I wanna know his build up. =D.

    I've seen people make:

    Treads, Loather Edge, MKB, Dominator, Basher.

    But what is his proper build up?
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    Default Re: Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    MKB and Basher are wasted on Sniper. Lothars and Travel are the first items. Then you can either go Madness, Crystalis if things are not rosey...or Deso, Hyper...but the best is obviously Butterfly Skadi...
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    Default Re: Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    My build: lother>travel>butterfly>buriza>satanic....GG.

    Dont forget BKB, if opponents r disablers.

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    Default Re: Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    I made:

    Butterfly, Dominator, Crystalis. xD.

    And by that time, I got a god like. =S. LOL. Game was over. xD
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    Default Re: Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    :S... i used to go wid: Lothars, Travels, Domi (Satanic), Butter, Buriza, Skadi
    Got to a full build only once vs Bots...
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    Default Re: Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    kon build bhalo ta tow jani na... normally i go for deso, hearts, butter

    kalke khellam manta, lothers, crystalis... buriza jaitesilam... but game shesh hoye gelo I LOUVE MANTA
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    Default Re: Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    I hated Loathers with him.

    I liked my older one.

    Wraith Band x2
    Domniator
    Buriza
    Butterly
    Travel
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    Default Re: Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    As far i think sniper's best items are=1.Treads 2. Lothar 3.Dominator 4.Buterfly 5.Mkb 6. Buriza 7.Manta

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    Default Re: Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    LOL! That's the thing we do wrong.

    Treads and MKB are bad for him.


    And tui eto bhor bela ki korish? Go sleep. =P
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    Default Re: Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    lol. Jei dota player bole j sniper ar jonno mkb vua item tar sniper somporke idea nei

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    Default Re: Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    Quote Originally Posted by TE.SenSeiFAR View Post
    LOL! That's the thing we do wrong.

    Treads and MKB are bad for him.


    And tui eto bhor bela ki korish? Go sleep. =P
    Sniper needs the AS and STR of treads very much.
    no need for travel if you go lothars and keep a tp.
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    Default Re: Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    Quote Originally Posted by TE. JOHN View Post
    lol. Jei dota player bole j sniper ar jonno mkb vua item tar sniper somporke idea nei
    there's a reason people usually try not to make MKB with Sniper.

    If i remember correctly,
    headshot stun, damage = 0.2 sec, 50
    mkb stun,damage = 0.1 sec, 100

    since you get mkb later than your headshot, mkb will override headshot if BOTH procs at the same time. you will gain 50 more damage (magical = reduced by magic res) but lose 0.1 sec stun.
    on the other hand, you will gain more ministun chance.

    so it is NOT a waste. but people usually tries just to increase the AS so that headshot (which is more deadly than mkb's stun) procs more.
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    Default Re: Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    Like many (all) heroes, Sniper has many builds!

    MKB or Basher are not bad for Sniper! No way, no friggin' way! But, the thing is a wise person would never make these with life-steal! If a bash/mini-bash/hesdshot occurs, that particular hit shall not leech life! So Going Satanic + MKB + MKB + MKB + Butterfly + Treads is purely wrong!

    A legitimate build with Sniper would be, i.e the build you ought to go for 70% of the time is Lothars, BKB, Buriza, Buterfly, Treads (later sold for travel) and Satanic! This is possibly the best Sniper! Just because that's the best Sniper doesn't mean you should play him like that all of the time! Ahh, that's the beauty of DotA. If you have skills, you can do what ever you want! Take i from someone who has more skill than he needs to have! j/k

    A very fun build with Sniper is the Halter-Sniper build! For this build you cannot get life-stealing items! So make sure you have ample support! The item build is Treads, Basher, MKB, Butterfly, BKB, Orchid! The Orchid is non-negotiable! Regardless to say, you need to finish off the opponents before they finish you! That is where the Orchid comes in! With this build (which has no life-steal) you need all the protection you can get. A carry without life-steal in DotA is like a broker without insurance in real life. If the opponent has a Bane/ES, you're a gonner! Just come out of the fog Soul Burn that disabler and 3 hit KO his ¤¤¤! And the rest of the team is food! Their carry won't even be able to attack! It will be caught twitching the whole time! (Caught witching, lol) Even the bad Pugna will be saved because the opponent carry won't be able to get a lot of hits in! And if the opponent carry is a orb walker, the battle's over before it had even started! T_T If you have a Slardar as an ally...thak ar bola lagbe na!

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    Default Re: Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    ALLAH! =|.

    Pyro, you and others here confuse me alot! -_-.

    I'll stick to my n00b build. And MKB for him, wasn't as good as Buriza, and why not add a hyper if you want AS.

    Loather, Buriza, Domniator, Treads was GG all ready, r lagey naa. =P. And afterwards, if there is time, you can add a Hyper Stone, and keep a TP. ;-). that's my n00b build.

    Don't freaking critisize me now. -_-.

    Actually do, but not too much. =S
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    Arrow Re: Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    Quote Originally Posted by Pyro.Dynamics View Post
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    MKB or Basher are not bad for Sniper! No way, no friggin' way! But, the thing is a wise person would never make these with life-steal! If a bash/mini-bash/hesdshot occurs, that particular hit shall not leech life! So Going Satanic + MKB + MKB + MKB + Butterfly + Treads is purely wrong!..................
    noob re, eita keda koise? i feel like changing your title to Noob Moderator or Super Noob

    for ranged heroes, the bash damage is
    - added directly to the normal attack damage
    - therefore it behaves just like any normal damage increase (it's reduced by armour value and armour type, it grants lifesteal, etc.)
    - The stun part is blockable by magic immunity
    - a ranged hero can not land multiple bashes in one hit - a proc of a later acquired bash will always completely overwrite an earlier achieved one.

    the LAST two reasons are the main cause why people dont go basher/mkb for sniper that much. esp. the third reason.
    almost ANY carry hero can take out sniper easily if they can take him out during the avatar time.


    on the other hand,
    Melee heroes' bashes stack fully, so if two or more bashes occur at once, the longest stun time from all the bashes will be used (bashes never shorten stun time) and all the different bash damages will be added .
    The damage is reduced by spell resistance, and eliminated by magic immunity.
    The damage is a separate source and therefore does not count to lifesteal and does not interact with critical s trikes in any way.
    Additionally, melee units' bashes have a clear advantage:
    The stun part of the bash is NOT eliminated by magic immunity and therefore you can even stun magic immune units, though they will get no additional damage from the bash.
    source: malle's bash/crit guide
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    Default Re: Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    Lol. Nice RPB (Red and Purple Boy).

    So, Imma try this new build in a while. =]
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    Default Re: Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    CvP, stop talking altogether! What you've posted is ¤¤¤¤! It doesn't! Bashes don't leech life! Criticals do! I don't think that malle or whoever knows what he is talking about!

    One bash overwrites the previous bash! It still increases chance! Bash = stopping opponent! Anyone who wants bashes for damage is right-down DUMB! Stopping them in BKB is enough! No need for that extra 45-50 damage when you have like 89+102 + 256 Damage!

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    Cool Re: Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    Quote Originally Posted by Pyro.Dynamics View Post
    CvP, stop talking altogether! What you've posted is ¤¤¤¤! It doesn't! Bashes don't leech life! Criticals do! I don't think that malle or whoever knows what he is talking about!

    One bash overwrites the previous bash! It still increases chance! Bash = stopping opponent! Anyone who wants bashes for damage is right-down DUMB! Stopping them in BKB is enough! No need for that extra 45-50 damage when you have like 89+102 + 256 Damage!
    you were a noob, are a noob and will be a noob...zzzzzzzz.

    what i wrote is correct. i knew this all along. just quoted malle so that you dont argue with me..but still...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pyro.Dynamics View Post
    If a bash/mini-bash/hesdshot occurs, that particular hit shall not leech life!
    so by your logic, sniper shouldn't go life leach at all...his headshot procs 40% times = 40% times sniper can't leach life..OMG!!!!
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    Default Re: Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    Why are you forgetting about all the other perma-bashers...according to PD, they are no-leechers...LOL LOL LOL...
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    Default Re: Kardel Sharpeye, Dwarven Sniper

    Quote Originally Posted by Sin Eater View Post
    Why are you forgetting about all the other perma-bashers...according to PD, they are no-leechers...LOL LOL LOL...
    i assumed he is talking about ranged bash..may be im a noob assuming this
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