PC Upgrade

[Flame]

Hey,
I could be upgrading my noob PC sometime soon. But I have no Idea about the prices of Parts:S. Could any of you help me with the prices about the following parts. I'm not particular any brand, model, I just need the configuration...

Processor - Intel Core 2 Duo 2.80GHZ
Price - ???

RAM - 2GB
Price - ???

Graphics - 256MB (Any Brand)
Price - ???

Hard Disk - 200GB
Price - ???

Mother Board - Any (Compatible with the Processor/RAM/Etc)
Price - ???

Power Supply - Any
Price - ???

Case - Any
Price - ???


Could you guys tell me how the prices of those stuff will be?

[tofu]

Here's somethings that I bought like 3 months back.

- My 2gb Axe Ram DDR2-1066... was TK. 8000, if you were looking for the DDR2-800 it'd be around Tk.3000.
- HDD: 250gb at 7200 rmp took me Tk. 4950
- The Thermaltake 500W was Tk. 6000.

Can't help you with the other stuff, and I'm guessing most of these stuff are gonna be cheaper now.

[Deep -xCross-]

let me have some informations..
how much is your budget?? form where are you going to buy these things??

[abir]

I bought my friend a PC have a look @ that:

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 13,700/-
MotherBoard : Gigabyte G31 4,700/-
RAM : Twinmoss 2 x 1 GB DDR II 667 MHz 2,800/-
Graphics Card : Gigabyte 2600 XT 256MB PCIe 7,200/-
HDD : Samsung 250 GB SATA 4,000/-
Casing : Space 400W 2,200/- (Deluxe was not Found )

[mr_08]

core 2 duo na kine dual core[not pentium d]kina bhalo.it has the best pnp ratio[price and performance ratio]if u buy a dual core 2.0ghz u can easily overclock it to 2.5/6 ghz.i have a 1.8 and i hav overclocked it and its running at 2.4,it gives as good a performance as a core 2 duo 2.2 which costs u almost the double the money.and it consumes less power as well.and the power supply u have mentioned is just a b**l.eita na kine ekta bhalo casing kinlei hoi.[deluxe =4k tk]

[ЯV●shafiee007]

I bought my friend a PC have a look @ that:

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 13,700/-
MotherBoard : Gigabyte G31 4,700/-
RAM : Twinmoss 2 x 1 GB DDR II 667 MHz 2,800/-
Graphics Card : Gigabyte 2600 XT 256MB PCIe 7,200/-
HDD : Samsung 250 GB SATA 4,000/-
Casing : Space 400W 2,200/- (Deluxe was not Found )

DDR II 667? i'm just shocked....667 and 800-er price to mone hoe almost same...beshi hole 200-300TK-er difference.....667 nise ki jonno core 2 duo-r shathe

[Flame]

I bought my friend a PC have a look @ that:

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 13,700/-
MotherBoard : Gigabyte G31 4,700/-
RAM : Twinmoss 2 x 1 GB DDR II 667 MHz 2,800/-
Graphics Card : Gigabyte 2600 XT 256MB PCIe 7,200/-
HDD : Samsung 250 GB SATA 4,000/-
Casing : Space 400W 2,200/- (Deluxe was not Found )

Thnx for the info...
Now, Im getting some idea's about the prices. .This PC is dying, so I need to wither upgrade it or get a new one. And by upgrade I mean scooping evrything out and replacing it...

[coldfire7]

DDR II 667? i'm just shocked....667 and 800-er price to mone hoe almost same...beshi hole 200-300TK-er difference.....667 nise ki jonno core 2 duo-r shathe

the price of DDRII 667 & 800's price is almost same...... I bought a 2GB Transcend 800MHz DDRII for 3300/=.... And a 2GB Transcend 667MHz's price is 3100/=.........

[abir]

DDR II 667? i'm just shocked....667 and 800-er price to mone hoe almost same...beshi hole 200-300TK-er difference.....667 nise ki jonno core 2 duo-r shathe

dont you know about synchronizing?
the CPU FSB is 1333 MHz so 667 DDR II matches with it.
when u use use 800MHz cas latency will be higher.
And core 2 duo processors utilize synchronizing well.
so i chose to FSB : DRAM 1:1 ratio..
but yah there is always debate about this..

[abir]

reffered from wikipedia :
Unlike the previous Pentium 4 and Pentium D design, the Core 2 technology sees a greater benefit from memory running synchronously with the Front Side Bus (FSB). This means that for the Conroe CPUs with FSB of 1066 MT/s, the ideal memory speed is PC2-4200. In some configurations, using PC2-5300 can actually decrease performance.

[abir]

As you can see, memory types with different theoretical bandwidths do not differ much in practice. For example, there is a 100% difference in theoretical bandwidth between DDR2-533 and DDR2-1067 whereas the difference between the practical results obtained with those memory types is 17% at maximum.

This poor performance of fast DDR2 SDRAM is due to the architecture of Core 2 Duo systems in which memory is connected to the CPU via the chipset and two sequential buses. In this design it is not the bandwidth of dual-channel high-frequency memory that becomes the bottleneck, but the Quad Pumped Bus that connects the CPU with the chipset's North Bridge. Its maximum theoretical bandwidth is 8.5GB/s in Core 2 Duo systems, which only equals the bandwidth of dual-channel DDR2-533 SDRAM. That's why we don't see a really big performance growth if we use memory faster than DDR2-533.

It seems it doesn't make any sense to use memory faster than DDR2-533 on the Core 2 Duo platform. This is not quite so. Memory access latency decreases along with frequency, which can be seen in practical tests.
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3D games have always reacted readily to any increase in the speed of the memory subsystem. We see that again here, but the reaction isn't very enthusiastic. However, you can see that higher-frequency memory enjoys a certain advantage over slower-frequency one and allows achieving a higher frame rate whereas the memory timings affect system performance less. We shouldn't overestimate the role of fast memory in gaming applications. For example, the results of DDR2-533 and DDR2-1067 differ by only 5-10%, i.e. installing the twice faster memory leads to a negligible performance increase even in games.

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The previous section may give you an impression that Core 2 Duo systems do not in fact need fast memory. Using higher-frequency memory modules makes the system costlier, yet doesn't lead to any significant performance increases. This is true, in part: memory faster than DDR2-533 can only provide a maximum of 5% performance growth in a majority of widespread applications. The problem is in the front-side bus which is only clocked at 266MHz as yet.

But it doesn't mean fast memory is completely useless for owners of Core 2 Duo systems. Although Intel has limited the frequency and bandwidth of the front-side bus, it's in our power to increase them without Intel's help. So, we'll be talking about overclocking now.

[abir]

Intel's new processors with the Core micro-architecture remain in the focus of PC enthusiasts' attention. Numerous tests have proved that Core 2 Duo processors deliver unrivalled performance at their default frequencies as well as at overclocking. No wonder that various modifications of Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme are on the wish list of many users who are upgrading their computers with their own hands. A mass transition to the new Core 2 platform is just about to begin if it hasn't begun already. Our intent now is to review the Core 2 Duo infrastructure to see what is the best environment for that processor.
In this first article we are going to talk about system memory with respect to the Core 2 Duo, particularly we will try to find out which memory parameter has a bigger effect on performance of Core 2 Duo systems, bandwidth or latency. As a result, we will come up with some general conclusions as to what exactly memory out of the variety of DDR2 SDRAM available today suits best for the new platform. Besides, we will give you our own recommendations on purchasing DDR2 SDRAM for systems with new Intel Core 2 Duo processors.
Intel Core 2 Duo and System Memory

Before proceeding to discuss the results of our tests which may give us exhaustive answers to all the questions asked in the introduction, we want to say a few words on why Core 2 Duo processors may put forth specific requirements to the memory subsystem to achieve maximum performance. After all, these CPUs are compatible with the same LGA775 platforms (with minor variations in electric characteristics) that long- and deep-studied processors from the Pentium 4 and D families were used on earlier. But as a matter of fact, the Core 2 Duo has a dramatically different micro-architecture which is the main reason for its different way of working with system RAM.
First of all, the Core 2's innovative dual-core design with a shared L2 cache comes to mind. As opposed to separate L2 caches, a shared L2 cache frees the front-side bus and the memory bus from data transfers required to maintain cache data coherency. Dual-core Pentium D processors used to utilize the front-side and memory buses to exchange data between the execution cores whereas the Core 2 Duo achieves this by means of its shared L2 cache alone. As a result, the Core 2 Duo can use the CPU-memory link to more effect, freeing it from auxiliary data transfers.
The second thing that turned out to have a positive effect on memory performance in Core 2 Duo systems is the increased frequency of the Quad Pumped Bus which connects the CPU and the chipset's North Bridge. The resulting frequency of this bus is now 1067MHz which provides a bandwidth of 8.5GB/s. It also means that Core 2 Duo platforms have an opportunity to fully utilize the bandwidth provided by a dual-channel memory subsystem with DDR2-533 SDRAM modules. Installing even higher-frequency modules can give a chance to additionally reduce memory access latencies.
We shouldn't also forget that the Core micro-architecture features a number of technologies that improve the CPU's memory-accessing capability like the memory disambiguation technique and the data pre-fetch algorithms which are much better than those employed in the Pentium 4. You can learn more about these technologies here.

Although Core 2 Duo processors still use an external memory controller, located in the chipset's North Bridge, the mentioned features of the new micro-architecture help them challenge Athlon 64 X2 CPUs, which have a memory controller integrated into their core, in terms of memory performance. The graphs below show you the results of our measuring the effective memory bandwidth and latency in systems based around an Intel Pentium D 960, Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 and Athlon 64 X2 5000+. DDR2-800 SDRAM with 4-4-4-12 timings was used in each case:

As you see, the Core 2 Duo platform features higher memory performance in comparison with the Pentium D system in practice, not only in theory. Although the two processors from Intel access memory through the same memory controller integrated into the chipset's North Bridge (this test was performed on an i975X-based mainboard), the choice of the CPU affects the result greatly. The Core 2 Duo can ensure a 10% higher memory bandwidth and much lower data access latency (from 20% to 40% depending on how efficient the data pre-fetch algorithms are in a particular application). The Core 2 Duo is obviously superior to previous-generation NetBurst processors when it comes to using the memory subsystem efficiently.
It is quite interesting to compare the real-life performance of the Core 2 Duo platform with that of the Athlon 64 X2 platform especially since they use different approaches to placing the memory controller. Contrary to the Core 2 Duo, the Athlon 64 X2 (in Socket AM2 design) has an internal DDR2 SDRAM controller, integrated right into the CPU core. The integrated controller provides a very high memory bandwidth. The substantial advantage over the Core 2 Duo platform is not to be wondered at considering that in Intel's systems the speed of data transfers between the CPU and memory is limited by the bandwidth of the FSB. As a result, the DDR2-800 SDRAM memory subsystem is about 40% efficient on the platform with the new Intel CPU and 55-60% efficient on the Athlon 64 X2 platform.
As for the memory latency parameter, two out of three test utilities show that the Core 2 Duo platform is capable of achieving lower memory latency than the Athlon 64 X2 system. This result is obviously due to the data pre-fetch algorithms employed by the Core micro-architecture. Those algorithms prove to be very helpful in many cases. So, even though with an external memory controller, Core 2 Duo processors have high performance in applications sensitive to memory speed.

[ЯV●shafiee007]

hmm....that's a huge one...

[coldfire7]

It doesn't really mater that u have to match ur RAM & Processor to get better speed.........

If u put a faster bandwidth ram with a lower bandwidth processor the RAM will run into a lower speed to match the processor & if u put a faster processor with a lower bandwidth RAM u will get lower bandwidth from ur processor.........

[Mazhar]

the equation is actually a lot more complex than the above posts suggest(not you coldfire, you put it properly), but such complexities will only confuse the opening poster

for example a 800Mhz ram can be sync'd to run at 667mhz (or any speed at or below 800), while running at a lower latency than RAM rated for 667mhz. so go ahead and buy a cheap pair of 4GB 800Mhz DDR2 ram

if you state your budget it is easier to recommend the parts, but heres a general idea of what you should go for:

4GB (2x 2GB sticks) DDR2 800Mhz RAM (dual channel helps with mamory bandwidth and latency a lot more than latencies or the ram being synced )
Gigabyte P35-DS3L Motherboard
320GB seagate/maxtor/samsung HDD (7200rpm, preferably 16mb cache)
Tt 500W PSU (deluxe does the job too, but i prefer not to take the risk)
Fit the processor and graphics card accordingly within the budget (i.e faster processor and slower GPU for general tasks, faster GPU and slower processor for gaming)

note: try not to get more than 512MB framebuffer for graphics cards. it is a waste. Also for the GPU, try to alteast get a geforce 9600GT or faster card, preferably the 4850

[coldfire7]

the equation is actually a lot more complex than the above posts suggest(not you coldfire, you put it properly), but such complexities will only confuse the opening poster

for example a 800Mhz ram can be sync'd to run at 667mhz (or any speed at or below 800), while running at a lower latency than RAM rated for 667mhz. so go ahead and buy a cheap pair of 4GB 800Mhz DDR2 ram

if you state your budget it is easier to recommend the parts, but heres a general idea of what you should go for:

4GB (2x 2GB sticks) DDR2 800Mhz RAM (dual channel helps with mamory bandwidth and latency a lot more than latencies or the ram being synced )
Gigabyte P35-DS3L Motherboard
320GB seagate/maxtor/samsung HDD (7200rpm, preferably 16mb cache)
Tt 500W PSU (deluxe does the job too, but i prefer not to take the risk)
Fit the processor and graphics card accordingly within the budget (i.e faster processor and slower GPU for general tasks, faster GPU and slower processor for gaming)

note: try not to get more than 512MB framebuffer for graphics cards. it is a waste. Also for the GPU, try to alteast get a geforce 9600GT or faster card, preferably the 4850

but u explained it better then me.......

[Mazhar]

but u explained it better then me.......

well thank you

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Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66 GHz FSB 1066 MHz 10,500/-

Motherboard: Gigabyte G33-DS2R 8,300/-
Gigabyte G33 DS3R 12,500/-
Gigabyte P35 8500/-

HDD: 250 GB 4,000/-

RAM: 2GB DDR II 800 MHz 3,200/-

Graphics: nVidia GeFoorce 8800GT 512 MB 18,000/-

Hope it will help.

[abir]

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66 GHz FSB 1066 MHz 10,500/-

Motherboard: Gigabyte G33-DS2R 8,300/-
Gigabyte G33 DS3R 12,500/-
Gigabyte P35 8500/-

HDD: 250 GB 4,000/-

RAM: 2GB DDR II 800 MHz 3,200/-

Graphics: nVidia GeFoorce 8800GT 512 MB 18,000/-

Hope it will help.

1066 MHz is available in the market??

[coldfire7]

1066 MHz is available in the market??

Core 2 Duo's r available in 800/1066/1333 MHz speed in BD's market........

Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 @ 2.66GHz
1066MHz | 45nm | 3MB | Penryn Chip