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    Question Home server + Torrent downloader...

    I'm running an old machine as my home server + torrent downloader. It's config is,

    Celeron 2.3 GHz (Socket 478 - Northwood)
    Intel D845GE mobo
    2*256 MB DDR RAM
    PCI SATA card

    Recently I've got something better which I'm considering for upgrading the box.

    Core 2 Duo E7300
    nForce 610i mobo
    2GB DDR2 RAM

    My questions are,

    1. Will these newer components use lower power from the previous one? PSU calculator recommends 129w Minimum PSU Wattage for the new system vs, 143w for the old system.

    2. This mobo supports overclocking via FSB but no voltage change. is it possible to underclock the processor with it? Will FSB underclocking save me some power?

    3. Is it possible to run this processor fanless? How about adding an old Pentium D type large heatsink on it? Or even buying a cheap aftermarket cooler. My casing got a 120mm fan on top, near the heatsink.

    Performance is not my main concern. I run this box 24/7/365. So even saving a few watt
    is more important for me.

    Let me know what you guys think...
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    Default Re: Home server + Torrent downloader...

    1) Yes it will use less power, especially at idle

    2) Depends on the BIOS, if theres an option to change multiplier then you can always select a lower option (default is 10, but you can select a lower value provided its in the BIOS)

    3) Fanless wouldnt be that easy since its a 65W CPU. A low RPM 120mm fan would be best, otherwise you definitely need something bigger than a P4 heatsink. A large cooler with thin fins and relatively large spacing between fins would be ideal, but it wont be cost beneficial.

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    Default Re: Home server + Torrent downloader...

    If you can manage a second hand laptop for cheap, that'd be best for power saving and will save you from UPS cost too.
    The abuse of greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power.
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    Default Re: Home server + Torrent downloader...

    Quote Originally Posted by CvP View Post
    If you can manage a second hand laptop for cheap, that'd be best for power saving and will save you from UPS cost too.
    HDD Space might be a problem in that case :/

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    Default Re: Home server + Torrent downloader...

    Depends on the BIOS, if theres an option to change multiplier then you can always select a lower option (default is 10, but you can select a lower value provided its in the BIOS)
    No multiplier. Only FSB. But I'll try lowering FSB anyway.

    If you can manage a second hand laptop for cheap, that'd be best for power saving and will save you from UPS cost too.
    Thought about that. But the problem is storage expansion.

    One more question. If I lower the FSB too much without lowering the voltage, will it damage the mobo or processor? Voltage changing is not allowed in this mobo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by error View Post
    HDD Space might be a problem in that case :/
    One external USB powered HDD is enough unless you are planning to store all the downloaded things in there.
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    Default Re: Home server + Torrent downloader...

    Mazhar bhaiya answered it all.

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    1. The processor in 2nd system has a TDP of 5 watts more than the socket 478 Celeron. I can 't comment abt the rest of the system but the DDR2 and losing the PCI should save you a couple of watts.

    2. If altering the FSB is supported then of course you can underclock the processor and that surely will save you some power, although lowering the voltage could have saved you even more, if it were possible that is.

    3. Having used one myself, the E7300 is an extremely cooooool processor! I don 't know if a fanless intel cooler could keep it cool, but i have had it on 3.8GHz with a shitty, but quite SpinQ during the summer without breaking the 60C wall, if that helps you to relate the possibility of cooling it with a fanless cooler at underclocked state.
    Dee 's current observations could be more helpful on this bcz he is using an E7300 or something similar atm i believe.

    Just one last thing i would like to point out is that, the nForce 610 and 750 are vastly known for their instability with clock changes and addition of new devices.
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    Default Re: Home server + Torrent downloader...

    Actually I've always heard that E7300s are cool, but my one reaches ~70C at full load. I have MX-3 applied by avas911 bhaiya, but still temperatures seem high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee View Post
    Actually I've always heard that E7300s are cool, but my one reaches ~70C at full load. I have MX-3 applied by avas911 bhaiya, but still temperatures seem high.
    OMG!!!! at stock clocks? Something 's wrong then.
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    Default Re: Home server + Torrent downloader...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hemlock View Post
    OMG!!!! at stock clocks? Something 's wrong then.
    Yeah at stock clocks. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hemlock View Post
    1. The processor in 2nd system has a TDP of 5 watts more than the socket 478 Celeron. I can 't comment abt the rest of the system but the DDR2 and losing the PCI should save you a couple of watts.

    Just one last thing i would like to point out is that, the nForce 610 and 750 are vastly known for their instability with clock changes and addition of new devices.
    While the E7300 does have a slightly higher TDP compared to celeron 2.3ghz (65W vs 58.5) ill state a few reasons why I said E7300 will certainly consume less power. First of all, since E7300 is more than twice as powerful, for a given task it will use fewer CPU cycles. Secondly, core 2 series have much lower idle power consumption due to much superior low power states compared to P4. Third, previously during the northwood/prescott era, Intel were aggressive in giving their CPU TDP's (ie. the TDP was equal or even power than the actual power consumption), since they consumed so much power anyway. From the Core 2 series, they were conservative since the Core 2 were very power efficient anyway. Also, there are less TDP brackets for Core 2, like quite a few processors fall into in the 65W TDP, so even if the TDP is 50W it will fall into the >45W category (= 65W).

    Im sure you know all this already, but just stating as to why im sure E7300 will consume much less power than a 2.3g celly. Abnout the motherboard, youre absolutely right. In fact, it will even consume more power than a G31 or something, so if possible change the mobo and a proper G31 mobo will also allow multipliers so the processor can be underclocked more.
    Last edited by Mazhar; May 30th, 2011 at 04:53. Reason: typo: g35 > g31

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    Default Re: Home server + Torrent downloader...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mazhar View Post
    While the E7300 does have a slightly higher TDP compared to celeron 2.3ghz (65W vs 58.5) ill state a few reasons why I said E7300 will certainly consume less power. First of all, since E7300 is more than twice as powerful, for a given task it will use fewer CPU cycles. Secondly, core 2 series have much lower idle power consumption due to much superior low power states compared to P4. Third, previously during the northwood/prescott era, Intel were aggressive in giving their CPU TDP's (ie. the TDP was equal or even power than the actual power consumption), since they consumed so much power anyway. From the Core 2 series, they were conservative since the Core 2 were very power efficient anyway. Also, there are less TDP brackets for Core 2, like quite a few processors fall into in the 65W TDP, so even if the TDP is 50W it will fall into the >45W category (= 65W).

    Im sure you know all this already, but just stating as to why im sure E7300 will consume much less power than a 2.3g celly. Abnout the motherboard, youre absolutely right. In fact, it will even consume more power than a G35 or something, so if possible change the mobo and a proper G35 mobo will also allow multipliers so the processor can be underclocked more.
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    Default Re: Home server + Torrent downloader...

    It would be the best if you could actually underclock and undervolt you're cpu.
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    Go for the new setup. Also make sure to turn on Intel SpeedStep (AKA EIST), that allow the clock speed of the processor to change dynamically when the processor is idling.

    ---------- Post added at 05:50 ---------- Previous post was at 05:25 ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Dee View Post
    Actually I've always heard that E7300s are cool, but my one reaches ~70C at full load. I have MX-3 applied by avas911 bhaiya, but still temperatures seem high.
    My E7500 (w/ Stock cooler and Arctic Silver 5) reaches around 55c under full load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by error View Post
    HDD Space might be a problem in that case :/
    Not only that, there's also overheating issue; they're not designed to run 24/7, AFAIK.

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    I am also interested to know about the overheating issue,cause I was thinking of buying one myself..so is it possible to run them 24/7,I will ofcourse have a laptop cooler but will that do the trick?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fractal View Post
    Not only that, there's also overheating issue; they're not designed to run 24/7, AFAIK.
    Not true.
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    Default Re: Home server + Torrent downloader...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fractal View Post
    Not only that, there's also overheating issue; they're not designed to run 24/7, AFAIK.
    What space issue? If you're so concerned about low space, buy a few external HDDs(Or buy enclosures) and plug em in. I use a netbook for this and it has an uptime of 9 days(From the day it was bought). My older netbook had a record of 63 days, so, nothing but baseless claims here.

    In the Bangladeshi context, this certainly is the best way to go. You can save UPS costs + still have it online when power has gone to take a dump. And, they consume far less power than any desktop workstation when plugged in as well. Just my 2cents, w.

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    I have my answer,thanks @Wintereise
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