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    Default HOT..Damn [email protected]!OMG

    nVidia GTX560 launch confirmed at 820MHz for 25th January

    kitguru er mote, it is gonna kick 6800 and also phase out 460gtx out.

    Following the limp launches of the initial GTX480, 470 and 465, nVidia managed to nail the GTX460. It single-handedly stemmed the Rise of the Radeons which had, until then, threatened to wipe nVidia from the graphics map altogether. GTX460 wasn’t only a good product in its own right, it also proved that there was a solid set of technical concepts underpinning the Fermi project.

    OK, enough plaudits for the best card nVidia has launched in the past 4 years.

    Time to pull out your slaughter knife and end its existence.

    So what will the replacement look like?

    GTX560 will come out of the traps at a ferocious 820MHz.

    We’re going to plant one of our world famous ‘Flags of our Predictions’ and say that there’s no chance that the GTX560 will be as overclockable as the GTX460. Why? Well, the GTX460 was very conservative. Now that nVidia is feeling secure in TSMC’s ability to deliver, the baseline clock will be that much higher.

    GTX460 launched at a very conservative 675MHz. In almost no time at all MSI (Hawk) and EVGA (FTW) were selling versions of the GTX460 that clocked up near 1Ghz. Having some headroom built in for overclocking is one thing, but allowing almost 50% is just plain crazy. Better to create a new SKU and make a lot of customers pay extra for the boost.
    So, for now, that’s it.

    KitGuru says: GTX 560 looks like a monster and any nVidia fan who rushes off to buy a GTX 460 ahead of the new product launching on the 25th, needs their head testing.


    amar to joss mone oitese.amar ekta 6850 kinar plan silo... but, now i have to think twice.
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    those who heading to buy a gtx460 or 6850,6870hd wait.
    1.u may see a huge price drop from both giants
    2.or u can have this card instead of those.

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    Default Re: HOT..Damn [email protected]!OMG

    That's truely a OMG thing.

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    I wonder if a BIOS flash on the 460 will unlock the other cores :S

    And I think it'll be closer to the 6950 rather than the 6870.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aayman_farzand View Post
    I wonder if a BIOS flash on the 460 will unlock the other cores :S

    And I think it'll be closer to the 6950 rather than the 6870.
    1.of course not.damn sure.
    2.i also think it will catch 6950hd, but nvidia aimed it at 6870.
    but sure it will go a long way ahead off the 6870.
    and we will enjoy the most enjoying part, the price drop

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    Default Re: HOT..Damn [email protected]!OMG

    oh yeah baby. March e jamu USA te. Tokhon kine niye ashbo. muhuhuhahahaha

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    Default Re: HOT..Damn [email protected]!OMG

    Awesome...nVidia FTW
    No 7. No discussion, sharing or referencing game hacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohiuddin View Post
    1.of course not.damn sure.
    2.i also think it will catch 6950hd, but nvidia aimed it at 6870.
    but sure it will go a long way ahead off the 6870.
    and we will enjoy the most enjoying part, the price drop
    Well 580 release korse 6970 er shathe compete korte but ke janto ato boro difference hobe 2tar moddhe, atoi beshi je the 580 is in a league of its own. Oi hishabe thik je 6870 er shathe 560 jai, but realistically I guess 6950 er shathei compete korbe.

    Time will tell, reviews er embargo kobe uthbe keo jane?

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    Default Re: HOT..Damn [email protected]!OMG

    wat is the expected MRP of this card ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by aayman_farzand View Post
    Well 580 release korse 6970 er shathe compete korte but ke janto ato boro difference hobe 2tar moddhe, atoi beshi je the 580 is in a league of its own. Oi hishabe thik je 6870 er shathe 560 jai, but realistically I guess 6950 er shathei compete korbe.

    Time will tell, reviews er embargo kobe uthbe keo jane?
    bro, 6970 was meant to compete against 480, not 580.nv 580's lunch was unexpectingly fast...amd had not much time to rethink and reconfigure their 69xx.
    and nv aimed 6870.it will be just like the when amd released 6870 aiming 4601gb.but it surpassed 460 a lot.
    it is ovious that 560 gonna beat 6870 down.as gtx460 evga ftw@850 passes 6870 336 sps, 560 is sure to beat 6870 with 384 sps.
    but, not so sure abt its oc potential as it is highly clocked. (may be another 6870).
    hope not.if it can be boosted effectively to 1ghz then sure it will kick 6000 family very good.
    Last edited by Mohiuddin; January 9th, 2011 at 19:36.

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    Default Re: HOT..Damn [email protected]!OMG

    You guys have to take rumour mill stories lightly

    Let me clarify a few things. First of all, AMD knew very well what a 512SP 480 could do with the per SP/clock improvements the GTX460 had. It could be predicted by people, and you think AMD did not know that? They knew it before we even thought about it. The only thing that escaped their mind was the power consumption, which was predicted to be the same as 480 but ended up being slightly lower.

    Secondly, the Cayman you see is nothing like what was supposed to be released. Design started about two years ago on 28nm, and it would be a monster of a chip with specs quite different from the Cayman now. But with 28nm delayed, many changes were made to the architecture, including cutting down SP's, reducing clocks, cache, etc. Targets were changed, basically the target was to compete or be close to the 480 revision (ie. 580, yes they knew) with a 27% smaller die. But even at 40nm, clocks were targeted above 930mhz (yes, stock), but the 40nm process just wouldnt give them enough yields with the architecture being this complex. So there were three problems, one being 28nm delay, the second being failing to meet target clocks and finally that when an architecture is developed for a certain node from the start, its always better than doing last stage changes to fit it into another node. It ended up competing with the 570 and while its slightly faster, I expect the gap to increase in future driver revisions.

    Finally, at 820 mhz a 336SP 460 roughly matches a 6870. With 48 extra SP's, thats approximately a theoretical 15% performance boost. In reality, id expect 10% over a 6870, which is somewhere in the middle of a 6870 and a 6950, something that we want. Pricing will be tricky with the 6950 1GB coming soon. Expect all price points covered by both manufacturers, which is good for us.
    Last edited by Mazhar; January 9th, 2011 at 22:24.

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    lets see wat the factory overclocked versions bring to the table.

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    @Mazhar bro,
    damn, ami eta bolte vulei gesilam je 69xx aimed for 28nm. And drawing back to the 40nm ,they used same architechture that was planned for 28nm chips.that is a mess.still, 6970 was aimed at 480gtx.i didn't say amd didn't know. I just said amd was targeting 480.

    see this.
    we can't expect over 5~10% with driver maturity.
    Ar bro, ami review gula te dekhlam, 6870 ar 6950 er moddhe
    15~20% er beshi diff nai.:S except 8x aa in high res, and still worthless tesselation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohiuddin View Post
    @Mazhar bro,
    damn, ami eta bolte vulei gesilam je 69xx aimed for 28nm. And drawing back to the 40nm ,they used same architechture that was planned for 28nm chips.that is a mess.still, 6970 was aimed at 480gtx.i didn't say amd didn't know. I just said amd was targeting 480.

    see this.
    we can't expect over 5~10% with driver maturity.
    Ar bro, ami review gula te dekhlam, 6870 ar 6950 er moddhe
    15~20% er beshi diff nai.:S except 8x aa in high res, and still worthless tesselation.
    I never said 5 - 10% with driver maturity, I just said the gap between the 6970 and 570 will increase, even if its little. Its just that current games are developed to utilise the VLIW5 shaders, so games will utilise VLIW4 better in the future, along with driver support allowing that.

    Also, I know you said that AMD was targeting the 480, but they werent. They knew there was a 480 rev2 coming, and they targeted getting performance close to that with a much smaller die. Not many know this, but AMD targeted around 950Mhz clocks with the 6970. That would put it within in the middle of the 570 and 580, something that they wanted. When yields failed, they settled for 880Mhz and 570 like performance.

    6870>6950 is like 15%. If 560 is 10% faster than the 6870, it will be closer to the 6950 than the 6870, I agree. But then again, the 6950 can be flashed

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    ^ @Mazhar bro,but, for how long it will get that facilities from amd?
    I can bet it will soon be impossible.
    bro, i want amd will do good like did with their 5xxx.but, nv 5xx r doing great.i think 560 willn't be an exception.
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    Default Re: HOT..Damn [email protected]!OMG

    Quote Originally Posted by Mohiuddin View Post
    ^ @Mazhar bro,but, for how long it will get that facilities from amd?
    I can bet it will soon be impossible.
    WVIW4 is their future architecture. Even the 7xxx mid range will shift to VLIW4. Hence the 69xx VLIW4 will be much better optimised in future games IMO

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    price will decide everything ........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazhar View Post
    WVIW4 is their future architecture. Even the 7xxx mid range will shift to VLIW4. Hence the 69xx VLIW4 will be much better optimised in future games IMO
    na ami ask korte chaiselam je amd je 6950 flashing er shujok dichche ,eta to ar beshi din thakbe na tai na.
    dekhi, [email protected] vhai thik dolsen.price is gonna lead 560 's fate.

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    amne ki retail price er bepare kisu bolse ????? i hope it is around $220-$250 for launch versions.

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    ^rumor ase 250$ hoite pare

    but, it will only be sure after release.
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    Gtx560 will draw only 180w(rumors to me )

    kit guru-
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    180 watts is a great headline for
    nVidia, but we ’d like a personal
    guarantee from Jen Hsun Huang
    that putting the GTX560 into a
    system that needs 220 watts and
    running it off a 400w PSU would
    be fine for FurMark.

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    'it will be 279$ as rumor is saying.

    the KitGuru website claims that the GTX 560 recommended price has been lowered to $279.

    The new price puts it right in between the $350 GeForce GTX 570 and the $240 GeForce GTX 470 while also being about $20 cheaper than the AMD Radeon HD 6950.

    Compared to the previous generation Radeon HD 5870, the GTX 560 will be about $30 more expensive.
    Although its performance level is not known at this time (outside from some speculations), the card is based on the GF114 architecture that features 384 CUDA cores, as we previously reported.

    In addition, the GTX 560 also boats 32 ROP units, a 256-bit wide memory interface as well as 1 GB of video buffer, the core clock being run at 820MHz while the GDDR5 chips are clocked at 4000 MHz, pushing the memory bandwidth to 128 GB/s.
    As all the other 500-series Nvidia GPUs, this will also be built using TSMC's 40nm manufacturing process, previous leaks suggesting that its TDP will be rated at 180W (compared to the 160W required by the GTX 460).
    As far as the launch date is concerned, the card is expected to ship January 25, just two weeks from now.

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