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    Default AMD's Upcoming Zen CPU

    I made this thread to discuss about the further future of their Zen architecture for x86 CPUs, ARM and server PCs. Also I hope it comes to Smartphones as well. Who knows their APU combo on phones sounds like a really good idea especially if they're energy efficient and upto performance-watt rate.

    Right now DX12 is gonna make Piledriver look good or bad, I want to know if it will make a big difference cause Intel's iGPU will also cross with dGPU for better performance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trave160 View Post
    I want to know if it will make a big difference cause Intel's iGPU will also cross with dGPU for better performance
    I don't think thats as simple as that. Even then they are charging a hefty premium for that shitty iGPU.

    I hope AMD brings something good with their zen CPUs, much is at stake.

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    I don't know anything about CPU (and don't intend to in near future) but I hope AMD get their ¤¤¤¤ right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawon0418 View Post
    I don't think thats as simple as that. Even then they are charging a hefty premium for that shitty iGPU.

    I hope AMD brings something good with their zen CPUs, much is at stake.
    AMD FX 8370E-18700tk, 18500tk with MSI 970 Gaming for -9500tk.

    Now you have i5 4690k with Asus B85-Pro gamer for 20.5k+10k.

    AMD is suppose to be a lot cheaper I talked with Milky bhai in One Stop Solution Store about this but the rate UCC is charging is somehow crap. The overall price is 15200tk but nope we can't do anything about it even beyond that 15% VAT rate, also Intel has their own office in Dhaka thats why products are priced well

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    http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/86954...oftware-patch/

    AMD Zen's block diagram is out, people are saying it's like 2 bulldozers mixed in one SoC only made smaller.

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    AMD has a history of "leaking" and hyping new architectures that in the end fail to deliver -__-
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sybaris Caesar View Post
    AMD has a history of "leaking" and hyping new architectures that in the end fail to deliver -__-
    Remember how the 300 series was supposed to be for "extreme 4k"? bought into the hype and got one right when it came out too V.V *sigh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sybaris Caesar View Post
    AMD has a history of "leaking" and hyping new architectures that in the end fail to deliver -__-
    Are you saying Jim Keller sucks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trave160 View Post
    Are you saying Jim Keller sucks?
    Jim keller isn't at AMD anymore. and the company itself had many fail overhyped processors, like the Vishera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehsas View Post
    Remember how the 300 series was supposed to be for "extreme 4k"? bought into the hype and got one right when it came out too V.V *sigh*
    Didn't you know they were just rebrands?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawon0418 View Post
    Didn't you know they were just rebrands?
    I did, but i didn't quite realize that the performance would be so similar, i assumed their "flagship" 390x would be MUCH better than the 290X, but was horribly wrong. didn't have the budget at that time to get a 980, so opted for 390x.. now i have 980's on sli lol lesson learned, never buying something big till atleast a few months after it's release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehsas View Post
    Jim keller isn't at AMD anymore. and the company itself had many fail overhyped processors, like the Vishera.
    He left cause AMD and keller already figured out the blueprints, his job was done. This is the guy that helped make the K6 processors for Athlon 64 remember those?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trave160 View Post
    He left cause AMD and keller already figured out the blueprints, his job was done. This is the guy that helped make the K6 processors for Athlon 64 remember those?
    There's a saying, It's not about how big it is, it's how one uses it. Sure Jim Keller is this awesome hotshot that helped thrust AMD to the limelight in the past, but that doesn't mean AMD can/will purposefully implement it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sybaris Caesar View Post
    AMD has a history of "leaking" and hyping new architectures that in the end fail to deliver -__-
    ya... true

    actually not only amd... all companies do that... but for amd its much more noticeable because for many years they are producing ******** processors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehsas View Post
    now i have 980's on sli lol lesson learned, never buying something big till atleast a few months after it's release.
    well, isnt that our slogan... dont pre order games and dont buy before researching benchmarks?

    also... if i can remember properly there was lot of rumors about nvidia's gtx600. once it came out that series was awesome, but not that awesome compared to the rumors

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    pre ordering... or buying a grpahics card in day1 is much more worse than pre ordering games

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sybaris Caesar View Post
    AMD has a history of "leaking" and hyping new architectures that in the end fail to deliver -__-
    This time AMD really needs to deliver. Otherwise, it's going to be a one-sided market. We are already seeing Intel slacking off their development cycle for the lack of competition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trave160 View Post
    http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/86954...oftware-patch/

    AMD Zen's block diagram is out, people are saying it's like 2 bulldozers mixed in one SoC only made smaller.
    Click image for larger version. 

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    http://www.techpowerup.com/212315/am...excavator.html

    They are claiming a 40% increase of performance? Correct me if I am wrong, FX 9590 has a single core PassMark score of 1,700. So, the new Zen should have per core score of roughly 2,400. So, it should perform right around Intel's current Skylake. That's not very hopeful since AMD has the tendency of overhyping things. I am not thrilled at all! But, at least, they are doing something!
    Last edited by kaziishan; October 7th, 2015 at 17:17.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaziishan View Post
    This time AMD really needs to deliver. Otherwise, it's going to be a one-sided market. We are already seeing Intel slacking off their development cycle for the lack of competition.
    After Ivy bridge they suddenly released Haswell which didn't have significant floating point improvements, only side improvements like lithography, memory bandwidth read/write and iGPU. Seriously they need to step up their game

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    http://www.techpowerup.com/212315/am...excavator.html

    They are claiming a 40% increase of performance? Correct me if I am wrong, FX 9590 has a single core PassMark score of 1,700. So, the new Zen should have per core score of roughly 2,400. So, it should perform right around Intel's current Skylake. That's not very hopeful since AMD has the tendency of overhyping things. I am not thrilled at all! But, at least, they are doing something!
    Do you have any idea how dreadful that processor is? can't even compete against the i7 even with 1700 Single Core Passmark, it's suppose to get 13,000 Passmark do the math. 8 Cores yet it gets 10,200. This is why I hate Piledriver it can't push beyond what it does with the Cluster threading

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    http://laptoping.com/cpus/product/amd-fx-8800p/

    This is excavator, clocked at 2.1Ghz and the Passmark score from 4 cores of Carrizo laptop APU is 3900. Imagine this at 3.2Ghz, even at 28nm

    If excavator gives this much performance and Zen improves 40% from it. GG Intel cause excavator already had good single thread IPC.

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    Intel's gonna have a hard time if this is true.

    "AMD was also working on a monstrous High Performance Computing APU with 16 Zen cores and a huge integrated GPU in addition to stacked High Bandwidth Memory."

    http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-cpu-core-microarchitecture-detailed/

    Damn! 16 Zen cores with HBM on the integrated GPU...!!!
    That'll be a badass comeback by AMD....


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    Quote Originally Posted by kaziishan View Post
    Intel's gonna have a hard time if this is true.

    "AMD was also working on a monstrous High Performance Computing APU with 16 Zen cores and a huge integrated GPU in addition to stacked High Bandwidth Memory."

    http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-cpu-core-microarchitecture-detailed/

    Damn! 16 Zen cores with HBM on the integrated GPU...!!!
    That'll be a badass comeback by AMD....

    Except 16 cores mean even lower single thread performance, and I don't think games will use more than 4 cores anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawon0418 View Post
    Except 16 cores mean even lower single thread performance, and I don't think games will use more than 4 cores anytime soon.
    Not to mention the 16 cores won't come cheap either. an 8 core 5960x will still beat it. and currently the Zen's rumours have gone down from smashing anything intel has to getting haswell like performance at competitive price..

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawon0418 View Post
    Except 16 cores mean even lower single thread performance, and I don't think games will use more than 4 cores anytime soon.
    Yes, good point. It should lower single thread performance as we've seen this on Bulldozer/Steamroller. But Zen's architecture seems to ditch the "2 Clusters 2 Cores BS"; which makes it interesting actually.
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    As from the diagram (not confirmed yet though ), it is clear that they are going with a single Integer Cluster with an equally big Floating Point Cluster (similar to Intel?!? why not? ). This should increase per core performance significantly. Don't know how much though (Question always remains with the AMD Hype Train ).

    Quote Originally Posted by Ehsas View Post
    Not to mention the 16 cores won't come cheap either. an 8 core 5960x will still beat it. and currently the Zen's rumours have gone down from smashing anything intel has to getting haswell like performance at competitive price..
    Agreed on the price point. But, if AMD could build a better CPU/APU with higher price giving 5960X a competition, I think that will be well for the consumers. Right now, 5960X has no competition (and also 6700K, 4790K, 4770K, 4960X...hell...may be 3rd gen i7s too ). This is bad for us eventually. How many people would opt for a 6th gen(and Intel did miss 5th gen...iGPU revolutionized!!!) if they have a running 4th/3rd gen? Intel needs some serious push. They are "Generationing" the hell out of the consumers because of AMD being a "cheap-a**". So, AMD at least should do something as a proof of concept, or we will see Generations of Intel cpus with 3% performance increase with 5% energy efficiency.

    Sorry for the Rant. 5th Gen eDRAM is a cool concept but again it's not in the 6th gen chips.
    Last edited by kaziishan; October 10th, 2015 at 00:55. Reason: brace yourselves! Rant's coming...Sorry...

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