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    Default max payne 3 delay and possibility of excluding pc platform? ...

    Hi everyone,
    take 2 has recently published it's financial report and sadly max payne 3 couldnt make it on their next 12 month planning list. very bad news. because whenever a product enters a long term development cycle, either it will be scrapped or will miss pc platform. alan wake is an example. publisher will start blaming piracy as usual and probably will cut pc from the platform list to reduce cost. it's all about corporate decision but very disappointing for pc gamers if it misses pc platform. and also i dont understand why they are making another fps under the name XCOM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by codename5302 View Post
    alan wake is an example.

    publisher will start blaming piracy as usual and probably will cut pc from the platform list to reduce cost.
    1. Yes, it's an great example of epic failure. I was very happy when I heard that Alan Wake sold like crap in 360.

    2. Yah, that's why there are many super-hit exclusive game in PC, piracy couldn't stop their sell, like: The Witcher, StarCraft II, Civilization V etc.
    In one sense, piracy helps softwares to increase their sell. People try them for free first time. If they like them, they buy them. Because, they (most of us) really wants the software industries to be bigger and better, so do we (most of us).

    So, not bringing a multi-platform game in PC will be a Publishers wrong decision, always. I mean, yes.. they can make exclusive titles (it's ok, if those games are THAT mind-blowing), but not bringing a multi-platform game or a crap exclusive game (like: Haze) will ultimately lessen their profit.

    And, most of the time, publishers don't have to invest much more if they wants to bring a multi-platform game in PC. Because developers wants to make games for all platforms, so only if the publisher gives the production (cost of creating more copies) cost, we would've enjoyed most the games in PC.
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    Default Re: max payne 3 delay and possibility of excluding pc platform? ...

    Its nothing new. I think pc gamer r familiar with this sort of miss.
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    Default Re: max payne 3 delay and possibility of excluding pc platform? ...

    Rion ... tomar first point ta ki "angul fol tok" er moto kichu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯV●shafiee007 View Post
    Rion ... tomar first point ta ki "angul fol tok" er moto kichu?
    Not 'angul', it'll be 'angur' ..

    And, I must say that Alan Wake was a great one.
    But, I was very much happy when MicroCrap faced a big loss after not bringing Alan in PC in the last moment.

    MicroCrap is full of wonders. Before the day of release, MS suddently declared that Alan won't be coming to PC, bcoz it won't be appropriete, or 360 would be best for Alan. Why ? How ? By bringing big loss ? :zz:

    And, MS also suddently declared that Fable III is coming to PC after the accidental leak of Fable III's cover (in which, 'Games For Windows' was leveled). Just a cover leak at the time of a game's debut can make this much different ? :/

    Then I guess elite PC leakers should make a team to create a fake cover of Gears of War 3. In which 'Games For Windows' will be leveled, so then MS will bring Gears of War 3 in PC. What an excellent idea, isn't it. Shouldn't I be awarded with 'The Best Convincing Idea In Gaming Year 2010' ? :zz:

    Go MS go, help the mods to bring Kinect for Windows 7 in less time.
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    Default Re: max payne 3 delay and possibility of excluding pc platform? ...

    with all due respect to pc gamers i think why publishers dont launch games for pc is that they cant estimate or forecast how many copies they can sell on pc, like they have numbers for how many ps3s or xboxs are out there so they can atleast get the lumpsum idea how many copies thy can sell but incase of pc its too complicated to measure how many PCs out there are for gaming, so thats y i think they do not bother to take the risk they release it for consoles first then when they have milked enough from it they decide to make some more from PCs, like fable iii, driver 4, or RDR ( should it get released for PC in near future)
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    Hae hae, ki suntasi! Amar max payne!

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    @ Shuvin bhaiya, no offense but,

    What's the guarantee that all current regular console gamer will buy a game when it releases ?

    And, what risk ? Well, in PC, most piracy happens. But, games first leaks for 360, and then it comes to PC. So, 360 leakers are more genius than PC leakers (), as ALL games leaks before/at the time of a game's retail release date, but this happens to ONLY A FEW PC games.

    And, there're examples. Like: Just Cause 2, Mass Effect 2 (PC is the platform of the RPG's, but ME2 is called the UC2 of 360), Battlefield: Bad Company 2, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 1/2, DiRT 2, Race Driver GRID, Burnout Paradise: The Ultimate Box, Trine, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Darksiders, Street Fighter IV, Resident Evil 4/5 etc. -- which sold in huge amount in 360/PS3, but they were sold even more in PC. (I tried to avoid RPG, RTS and FPS games, as they're aimed at PC)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rion a.k.a. PN View Post
    @ Shuvin bhaiya, no offense but,

    What's the guarantee that all current regular console gamer will buy a game when it releases ?

    And, what risk ? Well, in PC, most piracy happens. But, games first leaks for 360, and then it comes to PC. So, 360 leakers are more genius than PC leakers (), as ALL games leaks before/at the time of a game's retail release date, but this happens to ONLY A FEW PC games.

    And, there're examples. Like: Just Cause 2, Mass Effect 2 (PC is the platform of the RPG's, but ME2 is called the UC2 of 360), Battlefield: Bad Company 2, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 1/2, DiRT 2, Race Driver GRID, Burnout Paradise: The Ultimate Box, Trine, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Darksiders, Street Fighter IV, Resident Evil 4/5 etc. -- which sold in huge amount in 360/PS3, but they were sold even more in PC. (I tried to avoid RPG, RTS and FPS games, as they're aimed at PC)
    none taken bro.

    the thing is when u know how many consoles are out there the marketing teams for the publishers can guess the percentage of lets say FPS players or RPG players or any other genre for that matter from previous market trends or current sales trend or online activities or any other advanced marketing research method (u have no idea how accurate and efficient the modern marketing has become), so when u know what percentage of consoles gamers are out there who would definitely buy a good FPS, u can easily forecast a lumpsum sales volume.

    and about risk, its not about piracy its just if u dont have any idea how many units u can sell then releasing for pc is just a leap of faith, and corporates dont like the idea of leaving it for luck, thats why they do not want to risk the cost of porting and going through all that which is necessary for a PC launch.

    and yes piracy plays a big role in this matter, but u see these days devs design a game in such a way that u need to connect to internet for the maximum fun from that game, so that gamers buys the original copy for the max fun but PC gamers are doing it anyway with their copied games through gameranger,garena or by other means which leaves the devs affort to stop piracy in vain, but u cant go online with hacked consoles and even if u can console makers either ban u or release security patch within weeks. so even if games get leaked for xbox earlier than PC, the publishers dont have to compromise their sale for it.

    and one more thing is PC gamers are mostly techies they know from where to download cracked games, which crack is better than which, which hardware is better (cumon take a look this forum,even the noobest PC gamer knows which graphics card goes best with which mobo) but whereas very few console gamers around the world is that enthusiastic about technology, consoles are sold like household entertainment device world wide, so major fraction of the consoles owners dont have any idea how to mod their console or from where to download games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shuvin View Post
    nand yes piracy plays a big role in this matter, but u see these days devs design a game in such a way that u need to connect to internet for the maximum fun from that game, so that gamers buys the original copy for the max fun but PC gamers are doing it anyway with their copied games through gameranger,garena or by other means which leaves the devs affort to stop piracy in vain, but u cant go online with hacked consoles and even if u can console makers either ban u or release security patch within weeks. so even if games get leaked for xbox earlier than PC, the publishers dont have to compromise their sale for it.
    Most of the steam protected games cant be played in gameranger etc and most of the new games has steam.Games from EA cant be played online except for FIFA by cracking AFAIK.And also those games uses games for windows live cant be played online so you will need to buy original copy.And thats why devs still earn a lot from PC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rion a.k.a. PN View Post
    Then I guess elite PC leakers should make a team to create a fake cover of Gears of War 3. In which 'Games For Windows' will be leveled, so then MS will bring Gears of War 3 in PC. What an excellent idea, isn't it. Shouldn't I be awarded with 'The Best Convincing Idea In Gaming Year 2010' ? :zz:
    It should be "labeled" and the answer to your question is "no".
    A leaked cover means next to NOTHING, the company could easily say its fabricated and HAH! Proof goes poof.

    And another thing, a multiplatform game will mean less sales in the PC version. ALWAYS! Look at CoD BO, NFS HP etc. (I can name other games to be honest but Im not going to cuz Im lazy ) Console exclusive games also have a habit of selling very well, just like Gears, MGS 1-4, Killzone series, etc. So you cant blame a PRIVATE company for thinking only about profits. The world isnt a communist one and if you feel like you're being treated unequally as a gamer, go buy a console. Im sure all your complaints will vanish in a second. Im a PC gamer and Im getting a console just for the sole reason of not getting A LOT of games.
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    Default Re: max payne 3 delay and possibility of excluding pc platform? ...

    this thread is itself pointless. Can any1 give an official link dat max payne 3 wont come to pc ?????
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    Default Re: max payne 3 delay and possibility of excluding pc platform? ...

    Quote Originally Posted by tanveer View Post
    Most of the steam protected games cant be played in gameranger etc and most of the new games has steam.Games from EA cant be played online except for FIFA by cracking AFAIK.And also those games uses games for windows live cant be played online so you will need to buy original copy.And thats why devs still earn a lot from PC
    yes u are right but take a look at the flip side of the coin, atleast PC can play some pirated games online but pirated console games(except recently which allowed lt+ flash to let modded xboxes go online but still u have to get original codes that comes with original games only) cant go online at all. and moreover this is just one point of my argument there are other reasons as well why i think publishers dont release PC version of most games
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    [Reply to unedited post #9]
    Again, no offence. I'm explaining in the way, which I thinks/understands, requires a huge post.


    Yes, devs (specially Ubisoft) are focusing on online gaming instead of offline gaming, which isn't right from a point of view. Anyway, that's not the point. The thing is, still PC gives more freedom. Like: first play a pirated copy, and if u like it, u can buy it. So, it's totally my freedom whether I play the genuine copy or not. But, in consoles, I have two ways and I must choose one or I'll have to buy another console or 2nd of the same console.

    So, what's the point of counting the number of console owners ? Well, let's say, half of the console owners modded their consoles and plays pirated copy, and half didn't thus buys the genuine copy. So, if u make a GREAT game, u can expect that, in total, 40% of the console owners may buy the game (out of 50%, bcoz other 50% already modded their consoles). But, in PC, u can expect the percentage to be more. Because, all u need to do is, to make a GREAT game. Leave the rest to gamers, if they like it or wants to play they multiplayer or to get all features, they'll buy it. Most gamers are not like us, they're not that poor and they have that speed to play online.

    [Ignoring the genre (like: some love FPS, some hates FPS) here]

    Let's think about Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (GREAT game), Wanted: Weapons of Fate (Average game) and Dark Void (Crap game), and both are multi-platform games. 1st, Bad Company 2. Let's say that 40% console owners will buy it, as it's a great game. And, let's say that, among the PC gamers, 20% are poor or they don't have the speed to play online. So, 80% PC gamers remains, who has the money and the speed to play online. So, it's totally their wish to buy it or not (note, they enjoys the single-player campaign fully, and even the multiplayer, as many multiplayer games supports GameRanger or similar softwares). So, at least, AT LEAST, 50% will buy the game, to say 'thank u' to the dev. for this great game, is there any doubt about it ? So, PC wins here.

    And, when it comes to Dark Void, which is a crap game, 5% console owners will buy it. If I were a genuine buyer, I would've asked others or see the reviews for the feedback about the game. And, as it'll get bad feedbacks, only a few console owners will buy it to try out for themselves. And yah, some will buy without even knowing a bit about it. So, max 5% will buy it. And, when it comes to PC, the percentage will be even lower, must be 1%. Because, 99% will try the pirated version and will get disappointed. Console wins here.

    & Wanted: Weapons of Fate, which is an average game. Say, 15% console gamers will buy it. And, 20% PC gamers will buy it. Again, PC wins here. So, overally PC wins.


    But, there are definitely some exceptions, like: Kane & Lynch 2 or Alan Wake. Both are great game. But, they told in very poor amount. Though, Kane & Lynch 2 surpassed Red Dead: Redemption in UK top-chart for a few weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shuvin View Post
    and one more thing is PC gamers are mostly techies they know from where to download cracked games, which crack is better than which, which hardware is better (cumon take a look this forum,even the noobest PC gamer knows which graphics card goes best with which mobo) but whereas very few console gamers around the world is that enthusiastic about technology, consoles are sold like household entertainment device world wide, so major fraction of the consoles owners dont have any idea how to mod their console or from where to download games.
    Quote Originally Posted by tanveer View Post
    Most of the steam protected games cant be played in gameranger etc and most of the new games has steam.Games from EA cant be played online except for FIFA by cracking AFAIK.And also those games uses games for windows live cant be played online so you will need to buy original copy.And thats why devs still earn a lot from PC
    Quote Originally Posted by shuvin View Post
    yes u are right but take a look at the flip side of the coin, atleast PC can play some pirated games online but pirated console games(except recently which allowed lt+ flash to let modded xboxes go online but still u have to get original codes that comes with original games only) cant go online at all. and moreover this is just one point of my argument there are other reasons as well why i think publishers dont release PC version of most games
    U guys r right.

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    It should be "labeled" and the answer to your question is "no".
    Right, my bad.

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    A leaked cover means next to NOTHING, the company could easily say its fabricated and HAH! Proof goes poof.

    And another thing, a multiplatform game will mean less sales in the PC version. ALWAYS! Look at CoD BO, NFS HP etc. (I can name other games to be honest but Im not going to cuz Im lazy ) Console exclusive games also have a habit of selling very well, just like Gears, MGS 1-4, Killzone series, etc. So you cant blame a PRIVATE company for thinking only about profits. The world isnt a communist one and if you feel like you're being treated unequally as a gamer, go buy a console. Im sure all your complaints will vanish in a second. Im a PC gamer and Im getting a console just for the sole reason of not getting A LOT of games.
    True. But, I was saying that, didn't MS brought Fable III to PC for this little thing ? :mellow:

    Yes, most of the times. Because, Console doesn't requires upgrade for around 6~7 years... and, some other reasons. But, not always. u pointed BO, it wasn't sold much in PC due to it's lag problem. And, most racing games sells better in consoles (the opposite happens to RPG, RTS, FPS).

    And, some games can be named too which sold better in PC than consoles. And, same goes for the PC exclusives.
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    Default Re: max payne 3 delay and possibility of excluding pc platform? ...

    Kire? Why is Rion using arguments which he himself doesn't follow :S

    Try then buy? How many games have you bought? Furthermore, up to what extent does this 'liking then buying' go? Ami akta full game khele shesh kore bollam temon bhalo na, loss kader holo? Shob game to ar AAA na, most of the games you mentioned have very strong online components, I highly don't MP3 will have one.

    SP focused PC exclusive hoile you can bet your ¤¤¤ the devs won't make they're money back. Yes piracy on the PC is that bad, deal with it. Why use bakwas points to glorify the condition.

    Btw, AW was not advertised very well. If it had the marketing budget of AAA titles then the situation would've been very very different.
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    Default Re: max payne 3 delay and possibility of excluding pc platform? ...

    rion bro 1st. i think ur the most polite person around here coz b4 every post u say (no offence) lol.
    2nd. ofcourse PC gamers are more in numbers, but what u are saying 50% PC gamers who are not poor will buy the original after testing the cracked version is kinda a big turn down for the publishers dont u think? i mean if u were a publisher who is about to invest loads of dough into a project would u hang on to the idea that some gamers will be faithful to u and buy the original disk even after they have access to the crackd version, even if that was guaranteed publishers needs to know how many copies they can sell so that they can deduct their expenditure from the revenue to estimate their profit, and thus they know whether they should carry on with the project, if they see estimating profit from PC is this much pain and simultaneously they are seeing console can rack up enough to give them their desired profit, they would think leave PC and just do console now if we fail to generate our forcasted profit from console then we'll think about PC.

    anyways thats just what i think,its totally my opinion.

    and RION bro pls aro shorter post koiro bhai porte porte chokh dia pani bair hoia jay lol
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    Default Re: max payne 3 delay and possibility of excluding pc platform? ...

    pc te piracy onekkk gun beshi. Naile ki developer ra iccha kore pc te kom game ber kortese ?? Profitable business model hoile kan ber korbe na ????

    Ami akta practical example di. Goto 4 weeks dhore, kau ki aikhane assassins creed brotherhood niye kono discussion korse ???? Basically kau i temon kore nai, except for modding issue wid xbox 360 wid lt+ which the game requires. Ami halka korsi discussion but basically discussions abt the game is non existent. Tar mane ki kau ki assassin's creed series posondo kore na ba game ta crap hoise ???? No the game is excellent. I m thoroughly enjoying it and prai shesh er dike.

    But i can bet dat in february 2011, when the pc version will release, there will tons of discussions and tons of excitement regarding the same game. Everyone will discuss in this forum. Everybody will wait for skidrow or reloaded version of the game. Crack niye kotha bolbe, story niye kotha bolbe. But why so many discussions will happen then than now ???

    Bottom line, the popularity of the pc version will show that piracy is more rampant in pc. Pc te piracy beshi bolei pc te maximum game online multiplayer focused hoye jacche. (hint: no lan in starcraft 2). U will see maximum pc exclusive games these day online multiplayer focused, not single player focused.

    Regarding max payne 3, i shall wait for official announcement. I dont think they will abandon pc version.
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    Default Re: max payne 3 delay and possibility of excluding pc platform? ...

    Je Jai Boluk Na Keno PS3 JailBreak And 360 Moded Version er Karone Dinke Din Console ooo Piracy Bartese. Ar Bole Ki Hobe Bhai, Pura Dunia tai Piarcy te bhorti Hoi Jaitese. To Game Bad Jabe Keno ? And Profit Kamne Uthaite parbe Na PC Platform e ? Steam e User 30 Million Par Hoye Gase Dekhe Microsoft "Game for Windows Live Marketplace" Name Diya Nijeder Gaming Business Start korse. And PC te Ekhon Sobcheye Cheap Mulle game Chartese. New Game Console e 60$ Hoile PC te 40$ Ba 50$. Steam Ek bosorer Purano Game Gula 1$ e Chartese Example: Farcry 2, Bioshock etc. Games For Windows Live Marketplace oo 99 Scent e Game Sell Hoitese. Are PC Porting Cost ? Darksiders Game ta Low Cost e Great Optimize Korse. Wow Cataclysm To WorldWide 2,253,254 Copy Sell Hoye PC Gaming History Te Duke Gase. Eto Kisur Poreo Jodi Bole Piracy er Karone PC Te Game Astese Na, Tahole Ei Muhurte Amar Kase Bolar Kisu Nai.

    ---------- Post added at 01:38 ---------- Previous post was at 01:27 ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Ami akta practical example di. Goto 4 weeks dhore, kau ki aikhane assassins creed brotherhood niye kono discussion korse ???? Basically kau i temon kore nai, except for modding issue wid xbox 360 wid lt+ which the game requires. Ami halka korsi discussion but basically discussions abt the game is non existent. Tar mane ki kau ki assassin's creed series posondo kore na ba game ta crap hoise ???? No the game is excellent. I m thoroughly enjoying it and prai shesh er dike.

    But i can bet dat in february 2011, when the pc version will release, there will tons of discussions and tons of excitement regarding the same game. Everyone will discuss in this forum. Everybody will wait for skidrow or reloaded version of the game. Crack niye kotha bolbe, story niye kotha bolbe. But why so many discussions will happen then than now ???
    @[email protected] Bhai 2008 er Ubisoft Game Gulate Kono Crack o to Deya lage Nai. Koi Oigular Jonno To Ami Skidrow Ba Reloaded er Jonno Wait korte dekhi Nai. Jokhon Thake UBI Tader "Massive Online System" Ba MOS Chalu Korse Tokhon Thakei Na Crack er Jonno Wait Start Hoilo. Emonki Jara Legal Game Kine Tara Porjonto Dissapointed Hoi Gase ei faltu MOS er Jonno. er Karone Legal Gamer Ra Porjonto Illigal Hoite Baddho hoise. Publisher ra Jodi Tader Customer er Sathe Erokom Tal-Bahana Kore Tahole To Piracy Barbei. Tara Jodi etoi Profit Ba money Farot paite Chai Tahole Protita Deshe Oi Desh er Takar Maan Anujayi Jate oi desher Sadharon Public Kinte Pare Sei Bhabe Game Sell kora Start Koruk Heavy Region System Diya Jate Onno Kono deshe Same DVD Use Korte Na Pare.
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    Default Re: max payne 3 delay and possibility of excluding pc platform? ...

    ami ekta jinish bujhtesi na... tomra ki publisher der chaiteo beshi bujho business? :mellow:

    Laav na hoileo jor kore laav korae charbe PC te ... tao console kinbe na ... the whole thread is funny

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    i m a totally pc gamer(crack)...to me pc games r away better than consoles.but ,in fact pc games r decreasing day by day...normal.coz, games devs get a lot feedback frm console makers...but, in case of pc....what the phuck amd nd nvidia r doing?to survive their gpu selling- they need to feed game developerz more...nd, seriously, if the pc-gaming cann't take breath in future, i simply say 'phucking goodbye ' to game...coz i really don't like even a tiny bit ,the console games...khelar cheie jhamelai beshi.
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