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    Setup: PC running fine on UPS when powered on. GPU/CPU stress test finds nothing wrong. All temps are ok (below 50; gpu: 70) except SYSTIN temp which is 130+ (seems like a broken sensor).

    Whenever power goes out, the UPS switches to backup power: GPU driver crashes.

    If the PC is restarted while on UPS backup and GPU/CPU tress test are run, nothing is wrong including no driver crash.

    Putting power back on to UPS: everything OK.

    Plugging the UPS out from main: driver crash.


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    Change your cougar

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    Quote Originally Posted by VANGUARD View Post
    Change your cougar
    This is a different PC with a TT 550W toughpower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CvP View Post
    This is a different PC with a TT 550W toughpower.
    Tt Toughpower ST i presume. Non modular. The worst in toughpower lineup. @dipanzan this is the old toughpower series you told me to avoid while i was buying my current psu, remember?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VANGUARD View Post
    Tt Toughpower ST i presume. Non modular. The worst in toughpower lineup. @dipanzan this is the old toughpower series you told me to avoid while i was buying my current psu, remember?
    Should still be enough to run a barebones PC with GTX 560Ti...no?
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    It's a brown out. Your UPS's transfer time is not compatible with your PSU's holdup time and/or PFC circuit. You will have to change at least one of them. I'd suggest you to borrow an UPS or a PSU from someone to test first before deciding.

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    It's not an Apollo UPS right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swapnil View Post
    It's a brown out. Your UPS's transfer time is not compatible with your PSU's holdup time and/or PFC circuit. You will have to change at least one of them. I'd suggest you to borrow an UPS or a PSU from someone to test first before deciding.
    doesn't seem like a brownout neither seems like any issue with the hold up time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VANGUARD View Post
    Tt Toughpower ST i presume. Non modular. The worst in toughpower lineup. @dipanzan this is the old toughpower series you told me to avoid while i was buying my current psu, remember?
    I was talking about the Tt Gold series which they brought just before 2013 Ramadan when their Toughpower XT series went out of stock. That was a very new PSU with little to no reviews and just mediocre parts from what the OEM seemed to suggest compared to the old lineup.

    Quote Originally Posted by CvP View Post
    Should still be enough to run a barebones PC with GTX 560Ti...no?
    Should still be plenty, the issue is elsewhere.

    Can you check with a different GPU or PSU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swapnil View Post
    It's a brown out. Your UPS's transfer time is not compatible with your PSU's holdup time and/or PFC circuit. You will have to change at least one of them. I'd suggest you to borrow an UPS or a PSU from someone to test first before deciding.
    The thing is...the PC doesn't turn off or anything. It keeps running just fine except a "NVidia driver crash" error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redwan hasan View Post
    It's not an Apollo UPS right?
    It is a Mercury 600VA crap that has that "no load cut off" feature. Keeps turning itself off cause it thinks my routers are "no-load."

    That's why using a new UPS for routers and trying to use this for a PC...
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    Quote Originally Posted by redwan hasan View Post
    doesn't seem like a brownout neither seems like any issue with the hold up time.
    Quote Originally Posted by CvP View Post
    The thing is...the PC doesn't turn off or anything. It keeps running just fine except a "NVidia driver crash" error.
    Maybe a very short brownout, or maybe just a big pulse of noise. These type of pulses can have very weird effects. For example, Banglalion USB modem getting disconnected from a laptop with the charger plugged in, every time someone turned on the lights of a poorly wired room.
    Last edited by Swapnil; April 30th, 2015 at 13:41.

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    i think both ups and psu is faulty to some extent.

    the sag induced by the UPS should've been compensated by the holdup time until it gets corrected by the ups.

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    @CvP please post full specs of the system, that will help us diagnose the problem better. It is more likely to be the UPS than anything else.

    And slightly OT, but what software are you using to monitor your temps? I will reckon HWinfo.
    Last edited by Fox Mulder; April 30th, 2015 at 15:11.

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    Well 600VA ups might not be adequate for a 560Ti so my guess whenever it tries to provide back up for the first time(before reaching stable state) it produces high frequency harmonics/any noise that shouldn't be produced and then it passes along the power supply to the system and card behaves in awkward way and for brief moment of time nvidia driver can't find any supported device thus resulting in a driver crash.

    although could be anything else but again i will say 600VA is not that great for a 560Ti.

    anyway before try and swapping that can you change the driver and see what happens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox Mulder View Post
    @CvP please post full specs of the system, that will help us diagnose the problem better. It is more likely to be the UPS than anything else.

    And slightly OT, but what software are you using to monitor your temps? I will reckon HWinfo.
    Core i3, some cheap mobo, one hdd, gtx 560ti, 22" monitor.

    I used hwmonitor.

    Quote Originally Posted by redwan hasan View Post
    Well 600VA ups might not be adequate for a 560Ti so my guess whenever it tries to provide back up for the first time(before reaching stable state) it produces high frequency harmonics/any noise that shouldn't be produced and then it passes along the power supply to the system and card behaves in awkward way and for brief moment of time nvidia driver can't find any supported device thus resulting in a driver crash.

    although could be anything else but again i will say 600VA is not that great for a 560Ti.

    anyway before try and swapping that can you change the driver and see what happens?
    May be but I have put prime95 and kombuster (or whatever it is) together while being on UPS for 5+ minutes. Zero issues.
    On the other hand, it doesn't matter if it is running games or just windows desktop, main->backup switch always triggers this while backup->main is fine.



    I have a new 800VA. May be I will try the PC on that one. The problem is this 600VA's no-load cut off. If there is "no load" on the UPS during power failure, it turns itself off after 30 sec. This trash thinks my ONU, routers etc doesn't run on electricity.

    If I could get this feature (!) turned off, I can use this 600VA for routers again and new 800VA for PC...
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    HWMonitor is BS, Switch to HWinfo, much accurate and reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox Mulder View Post
    HWMonitor is BS, Switch to HWinfo, much accurate and reliable.
    Both of them read from the same sensor...

    fwiw, hwinfo shows the same.
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    I had gotten some anomalies with readings taken from HWMonitor PRO which is shown properly by HWInfo, from my understanding, and yes if both software show the same readings, it's likely a busted sensor. Curious though, what is the brand of motherboard are you using?

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    then I guess that's the only explanation, it needs time to provide a stable output,thus mode changing results in crash.

    well comparing to any simple computer's load is way more higher than a load of an ONU + router. Glad that my ups does not have that feature cause i do that same too. anyway if it is a MCU based design it is possible to reprogram that MCU but sadly that mcu should be soldered on the board so either you have to disconnect it, connect with a programmer and reprogram or you can use JTAG pins if available, none of them is a time worthy solution. but if its an analog circuit (which is highly unlikely) then bypass would have been much easier.

    there is only two things that can be done here, 1. use a dummy load with the 600VA ups, i e a 5W dim light(hope it will work)
    or 2. just use the battery directly, open up the UPS, connect two wires to the SLA battery, connect a low dropout voltage regulator/boost converter to it designed to deliver 9V/12V(as per your requirement) and use it. you can add a small circuit that will cut off the battery if battery voltage goes below 11.5V(for greater good of the battery)

    if i was in similar position i would have gone with the #2.

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    Cmon @CvP you are the richie rich guy, buy a 2kva ups and get a corsair hx650. Case closed.

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    I think I'll put my Speakers on that UPS...how does that sound?

    and not all of my monitors are on UPS...may be I can connect an extra monitor on this one
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