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    Hey guys, this seems like an appropriate place to ask and you guys seem like a knowledgeable bunch.

    So recently I've put in a lot of thought on what I wanted to do with my life and regarding my education and career. Basically I came to the conclusion a lot of my peers seems to make and that's to go permanently move abroad in some way or the other. There's really no one in real life I can ask about this and I'm actually having a really hard time finding anything out by myself as there's so much information online to actually adsorb or sort out. So again apologies if this inquiry comes off as stupid or basic.

    I'm 17 years old, studying in College First year in Rajuk Uttara Model College, Science department. I'm a fairly good student if I apply myself (or so I've been told). I'd like to think that I'm a fairly proficient English speaker/learner and I'm actually a lot more comfortable communicating and articulating my thoughts in English than I am at Bangla (Having more e-friends than real ones sort of helped I guess). Didn't really do a lot of extra curricular actives or anything if that's relevant.

    Financially we're doing okay, or atleast compared to the average person in our country. We're most definitely not rich though, just well off middle class.

    I don't really have any really close family living abroad or something like that though that could help out in any way, my father has a close friend or two but that's about it. Also lived in Canada for 2 years because my father recieved a green card but came back because of the lack of job prospects/high expenses.

    Anyways, my question is, what are my options here? If i wanted to go and study abroad and hopefully permanently move there what would be the ideal course of action for me? When I say abroad I mean some well off country like Australia, Usa, Canada, somewhere in Europe etc. Would it be possible to get a scholarship? How difficult is it and if I can't get one, how difficult will it be financing my education? My family will hopefully support my decisions as long as the economic burden isn't absurd.

    Also what will my job prospects be like in general if I go for some of the common STEM subjects. If going abroad for undergrand altogether unrealistic, should I wait for masters/ post-graduate etc? In that case the same applies, what will my chances of getting a good job and a permanent residence be like?

    Regarding subjects and the like, as long as it's not something like medicine I'm pretty okay with most STEM subjects. I'd consider myself as "hard working", or atleast I am when properly motivated. I honestly wouldn't say I'm particularly passionate about any science related subjects but I'd prefer something like engineering. But really, pretty flexible in this regard.

    To be quite frank, my ultimate objective is to settle somewhere abroad and along the way acquire the necessary education and skills to be able to find a modestly well paying job (but getting filthy rich doesn't hurt either I suppose). So it's not just education. As an immigrant what will my job prospects be like and how likely is it to meet these objectives?

    I understand what I'm asking is really broad and really vague but I can't seem to find anything more specific to ask. All kinds of advice are welcome. Basically I'm looking for some kind of "immigrating from third world nations for dummies" guide. If you guys could give me some sound advice and point me to the direction I should be looking at, it would be really helpful. Also are there any online resources where I could get pertinent information in tihs regard. If you guys could direct me to someplace better suited to make these inquiries I'd also really appreciate it.

    If I've left anything out or overlooked some massive flaw in my plan, please kindly call me out on being a complete idiot. Thanks for reading and I really hope you guys can help.
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    your best option is US of A. only place where you can prosper if you work hard and have talent. UK is $hit place for jobs. also there are some Scandinavian countries pretty good for living. i have no idea about them but i heard sweden is also good.

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    USA/Canada for computer related jobs. If you have good grades, decent amounts of ECs, and a sat score abore 1800(if you do not need finanacial aid) or above 2000-2100(if u need aid) would cut a good university for you in the usa. I mean good universities here means not in top 50 of world ranking, but ranking among 51-100. And canada will only see your grades and toefl/ietls score, and they kinda have very high acceptance rate. So canada wouldn't be that difficult. I have some persons studying in Mcgill and all they have were good grades.

    I have been accepted to University of Colorado Boulder (world rank around 50-100, computer science/engineering ranks are even better)and have applied to a lot of other north american universities, and kinda have vast knowledge about this topic. So u can talk with me via phone. If u are really interested, pm me. As i am a bangla medium student like you.

    Also ayman vaia also could guide you better, so seek his advice also.

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    RAJUK!

    afaik, undergrad education abroad is quite expensive and scholarships aren't always easy to come by. u can consider doing the undergrad here in Bangladesh and the go for post-grad abroad which, again afaik, is more economically feasible and u can manage RA/TA-ships.
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    Quote Originally Posted by codename5302 View Post
    your best option is US of A. only place where you can prosper if you work hard and have talent. UK is $hit place for jobs. also there are some Scandinavian countries pretty good for living. i have no idea about them but i heard sweden is also good.
    Yeah everyone seems to say Scandanavian countries have an amazing standard of living. I know a dude in Denmark who's complaining to me about how the government doesn't give him enough of an allowance to live reasonably well while he pursues his higher education. I mean god damn dude I wish I had those problems lol.



    Quote Originally Posted by shafi View Post
    USA/Canada for computer related jobs. If you have good grades, decent amounts of ECs, and a sat score abore 1800(if you do not need finanacial aid) or above 2000-2100(if u need aid) would cut a good university for you in the usa. I mean good universities here means not in top 50 of world ranking, but ranking among 51-100. And canada will only see your grades and toefl/ietls score, and they kinda have very high acceptance rate. So canada wouldn't be that difficult. I have some persons studying in Mcgill and all they have were good grades.
    So how difficult is it to actually get 2100 or alternatively 1800 in SATS? Is the curriculum similar to ours? I don't know if I can manage to prepare for both Uni enterance exams and SATs if one of them isn't guaranteed. I lived in Canada before, would that help me out in any way, atleast with Visa's and such? And they don't have any standardized exams? Just TOFEL AND IELTS? Could you kindly elaborate? Also what constitutes "extra curricular activities" anyways? I doubt any of my hobbies count lol. How would I even get a favorable amount of "ECs". I'm fairly confident that I can get an A+ in HSC though lol.
    Also, any rough ideas on total expenses for undergrad if I had to do it out of my own pockets?

    Quote Originally Posted by shafi View Post
    I have been accepted to University of Colorado Boulder (world rank around 50-100, computer science/engineering ranks are even better)and have applied to a lot of other north american universities, and kinda have vast knowledge about this topic. So u can talk with me via phone. If u are really interested, pm me. As i am a bangla medium student like you.

    Also ayman vaia also could guide you better, so seek his advice also.
    Hey thanks man I'l deffinetly try and talk to you soon, a bit busy today though. Also sorry but who's Ayman vaia? :S....and English version actually haha. No big deal though same curriculum.

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    RAJUK!

    afaik, undergrad education abroad is quite expensive and scholarships aren't always easy to come by. u can consider doing the undergrad here in Bangladesh and the go for post-grad abroad which, again afaik, is more economically feasible and u can manage RA/TA-ships.
    Yeah that's what I hear too. That's mostly why I made this thread though, I really need some more clear information so I can find the best course of action for myself. Post-grad I imagine is quite a bit less expensive. I don't know, but are there any disadvantages in going that route. Would it affect my job prospects? I don't really mind waiting a few years if it doesn't actually hurt my chances at a good job or getting residence in some way.

    Also, another issue is how does one actually make the transition from student to a permenant resident? Is it difficult, or possible? Some more reading material regarding student immigration, especially from the perspective of a Bangladeshi would be wonderful. Are there any good websites regarding this? Most university websites I visited have info on this but its incredibly vague.
    Again thanks for the replies everyone!
    Last edited by Ampere; February 19th, 2015 at 22:23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampere View Post
    Yeah everyone seems to say Scandanavian countries have an amazing standard of living. I know a dude in Denmark who's complaining to me about how the government doesn't give him enough of an allowance to live reasonably well while he pursues his higher education. I mean god damn dude I wish I had those problems lol.






    So how difficult is it to actually get 2100 or alternatively 1800 in SATS? Is the curriculum similar to ours? I don't know if I can manage to prepare for both Uni enterance exams and SATs if one of them isn't guaranteed. I lived in Canada before, would that help me out in any way, atleast with Visa's and such? And they don't have any standardized exams? Just TOFEL AND IELTS? Could you kindly elaborate? Also what constitutes "extra curricular activities" anyways? I doubt any of my hobbies count lol. How would I even get a favorable amount of "ECs". I'm fairly confident that I can get an A+ in HSC though lol.
    Also, any rough ideas on total expenses for undergrad if I had to do it out of my own pockets?



    Hey thanks man I'l deffinetly try and talk to you soon, a bit busy today though. Also sorry but who's Ayman vaia? :S....and English version actually haha. No big deal though same curriculum.



    Yeah that's what I hear too. That's mostly why I made this thread though, I really need some more clear information so I can find the best course of action for myself. Post-grad I imagine is quite a bit less expensive. I don't know, but are there any disadvantages in going that route. Would it affect my job prospects? I don't really mind waiting a few years if it doesn't actually hurt my chances at a good job or getting residence in some way.

    Also, another issue is how does one actually make the transition from student to a permenant resident? Is it difficult, or possible? Some more reading material regarding student immigration, especially from the perspective of a Bangladeshi would be wonderful. Are there any good websites regarding this? Most university websites I visited have info on this but its incredibly vague.
    Again thanks for the replies everyone!
    I had interview with university of toronto, so its really kind of you that u didn't call me today. I will be free by tomorrow, so u can call me tomorrow.

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    USA for STEM jobs. Especially for computer science, electrical and biotech degrees. Lots of jobs here since every major tech company is based in USA. You will earn good income and they give immigration to tech people quite easily here. Plus cost of living including taxes is more reasonable than europe.

    I would say go for computer science in USA. Quite easy to get good jobs from average universities also. They have lack of good tech background people, which is why if you notice US Embassy in Dhaka actually sponsors and encourages many tech startup events in Dhaka right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MusharratC View Post
    RAJUK!

    afaik, undergrad education abroad is quite expensive and scholarships aren't always easy to come by. u can consider doing the undergrad here in Bangladesh and the go for post-grad abroad which, again afaik, is more economically feasible and u can manage RA/TA-ships.
    You are a bit wrong on the topic. Scholarship opportunities are same at undergrad and at masters level, whereas phd level now has the most scholarship funding available, even u might get full ride. But doing a masters here in bangladesh would really impair your chances to get a good grad school(say uc berkely or ucla) unless you are super genius and invent something that have attracted huge attention. Us economy is, though recovering, still in bad shape and student debt is on the rise. Most of my tutors' friends from reputable versities like DU,Buet,IUT etc are ending up in really poor universities in usa for phd, and definitely a poor school won't give away a good job opportunity, as most employee would look the last degree you have achieved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shafi View Post
    I had interview with university of toronto, so its really kind of you that u didn't call me today. I will be free by tomorrow, so u can call me tomorrow.
    Yeah alright!

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    USA for STEM jobs. Especially for computer science, electrical and biotech degrees. Lots of jobs here since every major tech company is based in USA. You will earn good income and they give immigration to tech people quite easily here. Plus cost of living including taxes is more reasonable than europe.

    I would say go for computer science in USA. Quite easy to get good jobs from average universities also. They have lack of good tech background people, which is why if you notice US Embassy in Dhaka actually sponsors and encourages many tech startup events in Dhaka right now.
    I am def interested in taking the STEM route. I suppose I prioritize engineering but idk Computer Science seems perfectly viable. I'm not that confident about my aptitude for it though, I do spend all day on a computer but I'm by no means a "techie". But thanks for the info man.



    So another thing that I wanted to ask is how different is the prep for STEM and the prep for HSC/BUET etc? Is there a strong overlap? Should I just concentrate on the regular curriculum really hard?
    What about other extra credit stuff, what would help me out, what should I be doing (need practical/realistic options here).
    And....What about going after undergrad? For Masters? How would that be for my chances? I'm certain my parents would be a lot more comfortable with that idea as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampere View Post
    Yeah alright!



    I am def interested in taking the STEM route. I suppose I prioritize engineering but idk Computer Science seems perfectly viable. I'm not that confident about my aptitude for it though, I do spend all day on a computer but I'm by no means a "techie". But thanks for the info man.



    So another thing that I wanted to ask is how different is the prep for STEM and the prep for HSC/BUET etc? Is there a strong overlap? Should I just concentrate on the regular curriculum really hard?
    What about other extra credit stuff, what would help me out, what should I be doing (need practical/realistic options here).
    And....What about going after undergrad? For Masters? How would that be for my chances? I'm certain my parents would be a lot more comfortable with that idea as well.
    I am sorry but they are really different, SAT are such exams that you haven't taken before and will not take after, there is GRE but GRE is much more study able compared to SAT. IBA preparation might help, but SAT is all about your inner ability to remain calm in emergent as well as diverging situation. And no buet prepartaion really won't help, trust me. I got chance at both DU and IUT(though didn't at BUET but i think IUT and DU are not that easy to get into) and yet I didn't perform what i've desired, even I have been preparing for SAT a long time.
    Going after undergrad is viable if you are certain that you will have a very good cgpa at the end from a reputable university, and will have excellent letter of recommendation, good personal statements/essays and finally good GRE score, cause if you want aid, you will be thrown into a much harder pool so good overall standing is necessary to make you unique among other worthy candidates.
    Also I must finally ask, how much your family can pay, thats the most important part of your decision, there are lots of good us colleges which are easy to get into, cheap and offer good undergraduate degree. At the same time there are also lots of other universities that will see your bank balance and if that's really low, and if you don't have great stats, they won't even give a look at your application and will reject you immediately. Also it will determine whether you should go for undergrad or go after grad, though us undergrads will earn more than bangladeshi undergrad and most ppl , if not all ppl usually spend some time earning as well as saving for graduation after their undergrad courses.
    But still US/Canadian colleges are best for stem fields and are comparatively safer from UK. And compared to Europe hassle free. In europe most of the universities will demand you to excel in their native language, and if you fail to do so, u will be overcharged for tution. And most of them have interviews and on spot admission tests. But for us/canada u only have to give SAT(applicable only for usa as canada even won't give a look at your sat scores and they also don't require it for students not studying us curriculum) TOEFL/IELTS(must have for both countries), and even you perform poorly in SAT, good essays, grades, letters of recommendation will still get you through in very good universities. And thats the best thing about usa that they use holistic approach, meaning that they look at the overall quality of your application, and SATs are just a small factor in your application. But for canada you must have good grades and decent TOEFL score(Trust me, TOEFL is really easy, I got 107 in my first attempt and its really a great score for undergrad) and you will get into.

    I hope my counsel will come to your aid

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