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    Question Building a new system. Suggestions are welcome...

    Almost 1 years of being desktopless I'm going to build my new system soon. Though I've done this before myself. After joining BG this is my first major upgrade. So I thought why don't consult with all of my geeky friends now I got? So here it goes,

    Budget is 70,000tk (Might increase it a little bit if necessary)

    I'll need,
    1. Processor
    2. Motherboard
    3. RAM
    4. Graphics Card
    5. PSU

    I've sketched this config,

    1. Processor - intel Core i7 860
    2. Motherboard - Gigabyte P55A-UD3R
    3. RAM - 1*2GB (For now. More if my budget permits)
    4. ATI 5870 (Gigabyte, Sapphire, XFX whichever is available before eid)
    5. <550watt (I need help choosing)

    My planned future upgrades are,
    1. 2 HDDs in RAID0
    2. A low end Nvidia GPU for PhysX
    3. A CPU cooler (I've seen a lot of people complaining about the stock heatsink of i7's)
    4. A fan controller (My Thermaltake V3 has space for 5 120mm fans and I don't want to run them at full speed all the time)

    Keep in mind that I'm not an overclocker. I'm just a lazy guy and comfortable running my components at stock speed.

    So what do you guys think? Any sorts of suggestions are welcome. Let me know. Thanks...
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    Default Re: Building a new system. Suggestions are welcome...

    Just a comment about your 'planned future upgrades',
    Raid0 in BD?
    Might wanna invest in a good backup system then.

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    I haven't read hardware reviews, news for many days, but I'd say -- replace i7-860 with i5-750.

    And, get Delta 750W @ 11~11.5k if it's available & if your budget covers it. Will be helpful in long run.

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    Default Re: Building a new system. Suggestions are welcome...

    dont buy 550w....go for at least 600w....also listen Rions advice....its real....i think u can buy 4GB DDR3 ram within that budget
    Speed is like ADDICTION.....

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    Default Re: Building a new system. Suggestions are welcome...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rion View Post
    I haven't read hardware reviews, news for many days, but I'd say -- replace i7-860 with i5-750.

    And, get Delta 750W @ 11~11.5k if it's available & if your budget covers it. Will be helpful in long run.
    Nice suggestion. I vote for the i5 too, well unless you need the 860's HT support.
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    Default Re: Building a new system. Suggestions are welcome...

    Since you 're investing for gaming and not for a studio set-up,You should actually get the i5 750 instead and invest the remainig on some other hardware.

    ---------- Post added at 10:04 ---------- Previous post was at 09:56 ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Wintereise View Post
    Just a comment about your 'planned future upgrades',
    Raid0 in BD?
    Might wanna invest in a good backup system then.
    What 's wrong with RAID0 in 'BD' ?
    I understand that u're trying to say that a drive failure would result into complete DATA loss, but i don 't get y there would be no/less chances of drive failures in some other country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hemlock View Post
    Since you 're investing for gaming and not for a studio set-up,You should actually get the i5 750 instead and invest the remainig on some other hardware.

    ---------- Post added at 10:04 ---------- Previous post was at 09:56 ----------



    What 's wrong with RAID0 in 'BD' ?
    I understand that u're trying to say that a drive failure would result into complete DATA loss, but i don 't get y there would be no/less chances of drive failures in some other country.
    Uhm, it's about the power.
    One sudden loss = Entire array wipe, not the most desireable situation, is it?
    And our power is so great that it goes out once every hour =3=

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    Default Re: Building a new system. Suggestions are welcome...

    Thanks for suggestions guyz. Fortunately I've got a 1000va ups which I think should be enough for now. And I plan to use this system only for gaming purpose. All my datas are kept on other place. So possible danger of data loss doesn't concern me.

    UCC told me that their GPU shipment has arrived. Possibly will be available tomorrow on their outlets. If that happens I'll go for shopping tomorrow.

    Can anyone tell where to find Deluxe? What about Thermaltake? Now they are also available at IDB.

    Can someone suggest me a config with price. Would be very helpful.
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    Default Re: Building a new system. Suggestions are welcome...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wintereise View Post
    Uhm, it's about the power.
    One sudden loss = Entire array wipe, not the most desireable situation, is it?
    And our power is so great that it goes out once every hour =3=
    Quote Originally Posted by Manzoor View Post
    Thanks for suggestions guyz. Fortunately I've got a 1000va ups which I think should be enough for now. And I plan to use this system only for gaming purpose. All my datas are kept on other place. So possible danger of data loss doesn't concern me.
    There.... he said it. Just the point i was going to stir up. I was already expecting a good UPS ready for such a system, destroying possibilities of data loss.

    ---------- Post added at 12:53 ---------- Previous post was at 12:15 ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Manzoor View Post
    Can someone suggest me a config with price. Would be very helpful.
    The products that you pointed out are fine though,but If you want your money better invested, put an i5 750 there and spend the xtra cash on better RAM modules, motherboard and PSU.And if u r left with enough, grab a used G92-chip based unit for PHYSX.
    1. Core i5 750

    2. ASUS P7P55D. If you can afford, I strongly recommend this board over any 'f gigabyte 's. Get an P7H57D-V EVO if u hold ne secret plans to crossfire;this is the only 8x 8x configured board available in BD, and 8x 8x configuration will take nething upto a 5870 crossfire setup without ne performance hit.
    But if you 'd be picking up a PHYSX card in future, you should rather stick to the 16x 4x configuration so that your primary slot has enough bandwith to do justice to cards as powerful as a 5970 and on the other hand the secondary slot should also serve well with the PHYSX card popped in.

    3. Get some A-DATA XPG DDDR 1600s.Im Very impressed with these modules. Currently doing 1520 MHz at 8-8-8-20 timings with only 1.55 volts.I might be able to push the timings further.Will do so when i get enough time. Didn't try them at 1900MHz,which is the next stop after 1520, but might do so because i 've heard they put the same chips on their 2000MHz modules and those are similarly priced.

    4. 5870 is a perfect call. This is a perfect card for 1080p from my experience. Only METRO 2033 at highest possible settings will shatter it into pieces.

    5. If you aren't planning on tremendously power hungry stuff like a 5970, 600/650 watts of power will serve you very well no matter what u put in there.

    Im not talking about the prices here because it will vary a lot depending on your vendor and UCC supposedly will revise their prices since a new shipment has arrived.
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    Default Re: Building a new system. Suggestions are welcome...

    Asus Maximus III Formula is available in BD now! So take a look at that though it's a little bit pricey 18K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coldfire7 View Post
    Asus Maximus III Formula is available in BD now! So take a look at that though it's a little bit pricey 18K.
    Yes it is, but his budget will not cover it. And besides, it 'd be more sensible to spend the extra cash on RAM rather than the maximus. Other boards will overclock just as good.
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    Default Re: Building a new system. Suggestions are welcome...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hemlock View Post

    5870 is a perfect call. This is a perfect card for 1080p from my experience. Only METRO 2033 at highest possible settings will shatter it into pieces.
    You wont believe how much I agree with you on this

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    Default Re: Building a new system. Suggestions are welcome...

    Asus Maximus III Formula is available in BD now! So take a look at that though it's a little bit pricey 18K.
    Yeah, I also checked that. If my budget permitted, that would be the first thing I got, believe me.

    I need some more info about RAM and PSU. Where to get A-DATA XPG DDDR 1600 at IDB? And which model of Delux PSU should I look for?
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    Default Re: Building a new system. Suggestions are welcome...

    Quote Originally Posted by Manzoor View Post
    Yeah, I also checked that. If my budget permitted, that would be the first thing I got, believe me.

    I need some more info about RAM and PSU. Where to get A-DATA XPG DDDR 1600 at IDB? And which model of Delux PSU should I look for?
    U won 't get them in any shop at idb. If u really want them lemme know. A sister concern of Global can get you these within a few hours. Jodi 2GB o hoy,i strongly recommend getting these instead of value RAMs. There will be nothing to hold your OC back.

    And btw,y in the world are looking for DELUX PSUs ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hemlock View Post
    U won 't get them in any shop at idb. If u really want them lemme know. A sister concern of Global can get you these within a few hours. Jodi 2GB o hoy,i strongly recommend getting these instead of value RAMs. There will be nothing to hold your OC back.

    And btw,y in the world are looking for DELUX PSUs ?
    Thanks bro, I'll buy those RAMs certainly if available. Let me know how to get them and whats the price. I'll buy a 2GB module for now and more 2/4 GB in 2-3 months. Give me your cell no. if possible.

    And about the PSU, suggest me any specific brand and model to go for within range of 6000-6500/= Spending more will cause budget problem.

    Is the Mobo u said "P7H57D-V EVO" available now in BD? What's the possible price of it? Last time I checked Global, they didn't have any of those.
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    Default Re: Building a new system. Suggestions are welcome...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hemlock View Post
    U won 't get them in any shop at idb. If u really want them lemme know. A sister concern of Global can get you these within a few hours.
    Mind telling us where those modules are available? I was thinking of those for my next config. If you don't want to publicly address, just pm me :3

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    Default Re: Building a new system. Suggestions are welcome...

    Quote Originally Posted by Manzoor View Post
    Thanks bro, I'll buy those RAMs certainly if available. Let me know how to get them and whats the price. I'll buy a 2GB module for now and more 2/4 GB in 2-3 months. Give me your cell no. if possible.

    And about the PSU, suggest me any specific brand and model to go for within range of 6000-6500/= Spending more will cause budget problem.

    Is the Mobo u said "P7H57D-V EVO" available now in BD? What's the possible price of it? Last time I checked Global, they didn't have any of those.
    They are supposed to have the P7H57D-V EVO.They 've been available for quite some time now, and it costs arnd 17k, u'd be better off getting the maximus if u can afford this. But aren't u planning to stick in a PHYSX card ? If so,plz get the P7P55D instead. 16x 4x configuration is a better way to go if you aren't going to crossfire,which you shouldn't bcz its better and cheaper to get a single dual GPU card instead 'f 2 cards and that really requires the advantage of a 16X slot.
    If you pop in a 9800gt on the secondary slot of H57-EVO or the Maximus, your primary card will be bandwidth bottlenecked. But your PHYSX card wouldn't benefit from the 8X slot nemore than it would in a 4X slot.

    Abt the PSU, i think your only option is go get TT 500/550 if that's your budget. ASUS PSUs have been out'f stock for a long time now, and Global 's product manager has confirmed that Global will not be bringing in nemore Xonars and ASUS PSUs. Your other option is to check on the DELTA 650W but that would be a little more steeply priced at 8/9k.

    ---------- Post added at 23:30 ---------- Previous post was at 23:18 ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Wintereise View Post
    Mind telling us where those modules are available? I was thinking of those for my next config. If you don't want to publicly address, just pm me :3
    On the 1st floor of IDB there is this shop named Comtrade. Go there and look for 'Raju' and tell him that you want the same RAM as mine, the RAMs which he got through 'EMON' in GLOBAL hq , in case he doesn' t remember. My name is Ridwan Kabir btw.

    You guyz can call me @ 01717101846.
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    Default Re: Building a new system. Suggestions are welcome...

    Quote Originally Posted by Manzoor View Post
    Thanks bro, I'll buy those RAMs certainly if available. Let me know how to get them and whats the price. I'll buy a 2GB module for now and more 2/4 GB in 2-3 months. Give me your cell no. if possible.

    And about the PSU, suggest me any specific brand and model to go for within range of 6000-6500/= Spending more will cause budget problem.

    Is the Mobo u said "P7H57D-V EVO" available now in BD? What's the possible price of it? Last time I checked Global, they didn't have any of those.
    Don't waste your money on high performance RAMs when you are low on budget (especially >1333) as it will offer negligible performance difference, you won't notice it at all. It will come in handy only if you use it for benchmarking purposes. Also, i7 (1366) supports max 1066 MHz and i7/i5 (1156) support max 1333 MHz. So, 1600 will be useless. If you force it, then you're at a risk of voiding warranty (as technically, thats out of spec). Use the money on the PSU, 600/700W is a minimum unless you want to add it to your upgrade list every year. That means 10k+/-2k. *Make sure the RAM sticks are supported by the motherboard or you will have BSODs or cold reboots occasionally.*

    What are you gonna do with your machine? If you are gonna do 3D modeling and rendering a lot, go for i7 860, you'll thank me later. But if not, then forget it. Get i5 and game in peace. 2GB might cause HDD spikes during gaming. So, I'll go with 4GB to be on the safe side. You might also want to get the 5850 instead of 5870 and OC it to 5870 speeds. If you consider this, then go with the Sapphire one as that got a custom cooler with it which performs a lot better than stock one. So, that will overclock much better. I owned both of them, so I know. My best bet would be substituting the 5870+2GB RAM for a 5850+4GB RAM. Don't worry, these cards have the same tessellator engine, for DX11 games. Also, 4GB will provide much better responsiveness than 2GB.

    And yes, regardless of whether you are getting the i5 or i7, you MUST install an aftermaket cooler. The stock coolers on the 1156 are awful. They are tiny, like Core 2 Duo coolers. I managed to push my i7 860 as high as 92°C on stock speeds with the stock cooler using Linpack x64. Idle temps were 44-45°C. It was during those hot summer days though... But installing TT SpinQ VT cooler drops it to 70°C max (Linpack x64) and 37°C Idle. So, stock cooler may eventually "kill" your CPU on extreme situations. Also, forget overclocking with the stock cooler. Pentium D had a much better stock cooler than these 'crap'wares.


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    Default Re: Building a new system. Suggestions are welcome...

    Quote Originally Posted by Manzoor View Post

    I've sketched this config,

    1. Processor - intel Core i7 860
    2. Motherboard - Gigabyte P55A-UD3R
    3. RAM - 1*2GB (For now. More if my budget permits)
    4. ATI 5870 (Gigabyte, Sapphire, XFX whichever is available before eid)
    5. <550watt (I need help choosing)

    My planned future upgrades are,
    1. 2 HDDs in RAID0
    2. A low end Nvidia GPU for PhysX
    3. A CPU cooler (I've seen a lot of people complaining about the stock heatsink of i7's)
    4. A fan controller (My Thermaltake V3 has space for 5 120mm fans and I don't want to run them at full speed all the time)

    Keep in mind that I'm not an overclocker. I'm just a lazy guy and comfortable running my components at stock speed.
    Hey Manzoor, was a bit busy hence did not realise the tag. Basically, your system seems spot on, except that I would get the i5 750, and definitely get 2x2GB RAM. I dont think you can fit a 5870 + i7 860 within 70K. About the PSU, I dont know about UCC but computer valley downstairs in IDB had a Tt 550W Modular PSU for 7K I think, it was the new line of PurePower PSU's so you should be looking to get that.

    About better RAM modules, only get them if the price isnt much higher (ie not more than 1K over the stock modules). A cooler is a good idea, not a must if you have good airflow and the system is at stock, but the stock cooler is kinda awful.

    Go to IDB, check the prices out and then sketch a new list with the changes. Should be helpful

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    Just back from IDB. Couldn't bring the PC home as some components were not available today. Here is the near final config,
    Core i7 860 (Still deciding)
    Gigabyte P55-USB3 (Confirmed)
    Gigabyte HD5870 (Confirmed)
    A-DATA XPG DDR 1600 2GB (Confirmed) ------- For now. More 2 GB before EID
    Thermaltake TR2 500W (Still deciding) ---------- Depends on my budget actually

    I've already ran out of cash. Trying to arrange few more for the RAM. The most unfortunate thing is that IDB will be closed tomorrow. So I can't get the system before Monday. I don't know why this happens to me every time I go to buy my own system.

    Wish me luck. A long and hard day is waiting for me. As I haven't paid yet so I'm still open for suggestions. Thanks...
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